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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm**

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and or lines IMHO.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm**

I'm exploring adding parking brakes too. I agree on all Wayne stated. But when flying solo, having a temporary parking brake activated from the pilot seat while securing the aircraft is a plus. Once secured by other means (like tie downs), going back and releasing the parking brake is certainly a good idea. Bob, 612e
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and or lines IMHO.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm**

Fairly easy to install a holding valve but make sure it has a positive
off position and can't inadvertantly be activated in flight. (Landing
with it on is not recommended...) I paid about $20. for a used valve.

I use it all the time during warmup when I'm heads down playing with
gps, seat belts, maps etc. and consider it a worthwhile safety feature.
It is also occasionaly handy to hold the plane until I get the chocks in
but I've found that to be very rare. Don't think I've ever noticed one
in any other Rebel though.

Ken

Terry Dazey wrote:

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm**

Hi;
I have an extra matco parking brake valve listed at aircraft spruce for
$113.95 that I will sell for $65.00. It was used on my Rebel for actuating the
landing gear up and down before I changed it out. It is hardly used and
perfectly OK. I went back to the Murphy manual valve for gear actuation. Richard
.......Rebel 706DV
message dated 1/14/2009 4:29:56
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, klehman@albedo.net writes:

Fairly easy to install a holding valve but make sure it has a positive
off position and can't inadvertantly be activated in flight. (Landing
with it on is not recommended...) I paid about $20. for a used valve.

I use it all the time during warmup when I'm heads down playing with
gps, seat belts, maps etc. and consider it a worthwhile safety feature.
It is also occasionaly handy to hold the plane until I get the chocks in
but I've found that to be very rare. Don't think I've ever noticed one
in any other Rebel though.

Ken

Terry Dazey wrote:

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the

Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed the valve (tail
dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm**

Hello Dick:

I have sent you an email direct to you at ebyslough address.

Terry

-----Original Message-----

From: EbeySlough@aol.com
Sent: Jan 15, 2009 4:51 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Hi;
I have an extra matco parking brake valve listed at aircraft spruce for
$113.95 that I will sell for $65.00. It was used on my Rebel for actuating the
landing gear up and down before I changed it out. It is hardly used and
perfectly OK. I went back to the Murphy manual valve for gear actuation. Richard
.......Rebel 706DV
message dated 1/14/2009 4:29:56
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, klehman@albedo.net writes:

Fairly easy to install a holding valve but make sure it has a positive
off position and can't inadvertantly be activated in flight. (Landing
with it on is not recommended...) I paid about $20. for a used valve.

I use it all the time during warmup when I'm heads down playing with
gps, seat belts, maps etc. and consider it a worthwhile safety feature.
It is also occasionaly handy to hold the plane until I get the chocks in
but I've found that to be very rare. Don't think I've ever noticed one
in any other Rebel though.

Ken

Terry Dazey wrote:
Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed the valve (tail
dragger or amphib)? Necessary?
Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

Thanks Wayne, Bob, Charlie, Ken and the rest about the need for a parking brake valve in a rebel.

Seems for the past 21 years, I have been performing my Long-EZ parking routine with no need for a parking brake. Just stop the prop, lower the nose, chalk the main gear tires and tie her down. No need for parking brake there.

On the Rebel, a parking brake system is probably not a necessity, but sounded like a good idea to me. Sooooo, I think that I will purchase a valve and necessary hardware and give it a try. The cons are that it will add build time, weight and complexity which goes against my building philosophy. Also there will be more places for potential leaks or hose failure.

Thanks for the "heads-up" reminder on releasing the brake after all is secure and tied down on the ramp. That item will go on my post-shutdown checklist.

As far as accidentally landing with the parking brake "ON" (not a good idea), I was thinking of a "T" handle in the center top of the instrument panel, near throttle or the lower left side panel hitting my knee when "engaged" so you can't miss the position of said handle. In addition, a micro switch at the valve body lever with red blinking LED light on the instrument panel near the handle to advise of a "BRAKE ENGAGED" status.

Oh, yeah, Wayne. I am not married, but I asked my ground crew, the "Swedish Bikini Team", about holding the airplane while I chalk the tires. They just told me that they don't do ramp chores. :)

Thanks again!

Over-and-out . . .
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

-----Original Message-----

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and or lines IMHO.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

I should have jumped in here sooner, but I just remembered the following:

Cessna uses (on some models) a small tab that fits over the shaft of the
brake cylinder rod and that serves as the parking brake. To activate you
apply the brakes, then pull a string, and the tab lifts up and engages and
locks the brake cylinder shaft. It prevents the shaft from withdrawing from
the brake cylinder. To release, you apply the brakes, and the tab falls, and
then the brake can release. The total added weight is very small. Can it be
made to work on the Murphy? I don't know, but if any body wants a picture, I
will crawl under the panel of my Zenith and take one.

This will be cheaper than a valve, and lots lighter.

Tim Hickey
R808

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

In all my flying so far, can't say that I have ever really needed a parking brake (except on water, many times...). Closest I came to that was a few years ago, on a refuel stop in Hana Alberta, where the wind was blowing like crazy as I was trying to pull up to the fuel pump. I had to park somewhat sideways, so the wind wasn't pushing it backwards on me as I was getting out. Then I had to find some chocks quickly, and put the locks into my amphib front gear before they went down on me. Anyway, did manage OK, and that really was a worse case scenario.

Anyway, Terry, good to see that you are working on your Rebel again. Instead of inventing more work for yourself, get it finished... Or is that Bikini team sidetracking you too much...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Dazey <dazey@earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Thanks Wayne, Bob, Charlie, Ken and the rest about the need for
a parking brake valve in a rebel.

Seems for the past 21 years, I have been performing my Long-EZ
parking routine with no need for a parking brake. Just stop the
prop, lower the nose, chalk the main gear tires and tie her
down. No need for parking brake there.

On the Rebel, a parking brake system is probably not a
necessity, but sounded like a good idea to me. Sooooo, I think
that I will purchase a valve and necessary hardware and give it
a try. The cons are that it will add build time, weight and
complexity which goes against my building philosophy. Also there
will be more places for potential leaks or hose failure.

Thanks for the "heads-up" reminder on releasing the brake after
all is secure and tied down on the ramp. That item will go on my
post-shutdown checklist.

As far as accidentally landing with the parking brake "ON" (not
a good idea), I was thinking of a "T" handle in the center top
of the instrument panel, near throttle or the lower left side
panel hitting my knee when "engaged" so you can't miss the
position of said handle. In addition, a micro switch at the
valve body lever with red blinking LED light on the instrument
panel near the handle to advise of a "BRAKE ENGAGED" status.

Oh, yeah, Wayne. I am not married, but I asked my ground crew,
the "Swedish Bikini Team", about holding the airplane while I
chalk the tires. They just told me that they don't do ramp
chores. :)

Thanks again!

Over-and-out . . .
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes
locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and
or lines IMHO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of
three years ago.
What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on
the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have
installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

Hey Walter,

Are you aware of any other Rebels flying with the 360? Craig walls

Original Message:
-----------------
From: WALTER KLATT Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:14:59 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

In all my flying so far, can't say that I have ever really needed a parking
brake (except on water, many times...). Closest I came to that was a few
years ago, on a refuel stop in Hana Alberta, where the wind was blowing
like crazy as I was trying to pull up to the fuel pump. I had to park
somewhat sideways, so the wind wasn't pushing it backwards on me as I was
getting out. Then I had to find some chocks quickly, and put the locks into
my amphib front gear before they went down on me. Anyway, did manage OK,
and that really was a worse case scenario.

Anyway, Terry, good to see that you are working on your Rebel again.
Instead of inventing more work for yourself, get it finished... Or is that
Bikini team sidetracking you too much...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Dazey <dazey@earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Thanks Wayne, Bob, Charlie, Ken and the rest about the need for
a parking brake valve in a rebel.

Seems for the past 21 years, I have been performing my Long-EZ
parking routine with no need for a parking brake. Just stop the
prop, lower the nose, chalk the main gear tires and tie her
down. No need for parking brake there.

On the Rebel, a parking brake system is probably not a
necessity, but sounded like a good idea to me. Sooooo, I think
that I will purchase a valve and necessary hardware and give it
a try. The cons are that it will add build time, weight and
complexity which goes against my building philosophy. Also there
will be more places for potential leaks or hose failure.

Thanks for the "heads-up" reminder on releasing the brake after
all is secure and tied down on the ramp. That item will go on my
post-shutdown checklist.

As far as accidentally landing with the parking brake "ON" (not
a good idea), I was thinking of a "T" handle in the center top
of the instrument panel, near throttle or the lower left side
panel hitting my knee when "engaged" so you can't miss the
position of said handle. In addition, a micro switch at the
valve body lever with red blinking LED light on the instrument
panel near the handle to advise of a "BRAKE ENGAGED" status.

Oh, yeah, Wayne. I am not married, but I asked my ground crew,
the "Swedish Bikini Team", about holding the airplane while I
chalk the tires. They just told me that they don't do ramp
chores. :)

Thanks again!

Over-and-out . . .
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes
locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and
or lines IMHO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of
three years ago.
What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on
the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have
installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

Landing with the parking brake on??? Wouldn't you have to take off with it
on to get in that situation? Surely you wouldn't accidentally set the
parking brake in flight. Of course, I know a guy who ended up up-side down
in a field because his young son decided to play with the fuel shutoff while
he wasn't looking. Of course, the kid was unharmed but the pilot was
severely injured.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Dazey
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Thanks Wayne, Bob, Charlie, Ken and the rest about the need for a parking
brake valve in a rebel.

Seems for the past 21 years, I have been performing my Long-EZ parking
routine with no need for a parking brake. Just stop the prop, lower the
nose, chalk the main gear tires and tie her down. No need for parking brake
there.

On the Rebel, a parking brake system is probably not a necessity, but
sounded like a good idea to me. Sooooo, I think that I will purchase a valve
and necessary hardware and give it a try. The cons are that it will add
build time, weight and complexity which goes against my building philosophy.
Also there will be more places for potential leaks or hose failure.

Thanks for the "heads-up" reminder on releasing the brake after all is
secure and tied down on the ramp. That item will go on my post-shutdown
checklist.

As far as accidentally landing with the parking brake "ON" (not a good
idea), I was thinking of a "T" handle in the center top of the instrument
panel, near throttle or the lower left side panel hitting my knee when
"engaged" so you can't miss the position of said handle. In addition, a
micro switch at the valve body lever with red blinking LED light on the
instrument panel near the handle to advise of a "BRAKE ENGAGED" status.

Oh, yeah, Wayne. I am not married, but I asked my ground crew, the "Swedish
Bikini Team", about holding the airplane while I chalk the tires. They just
told me that they don't do ramp chores. :)

Thanks again!

Over-and-out . . .
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

-----Original Message-----

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes locked on a hot

summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and or lines IMHO.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of three years

ago.

What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

I agree. The only time I have ever needed a parking brake is when I was
training for my CFI. I was flying a 1968 Piper Arrow and it didn't have
brakes on the passenger side so I just used the parking brake when needed to
make an exit or slow down while taxiing.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of WALTER
KLATT
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

In all my flying so far, can't say that I have ever really needed a parking
brake (except on water, many times...). Closest I came to that was a few
years ago, on a refuel stop in Hana Alberta, where the wind was blowing like
crazy as I was trying to pull up to the fuel pump. I had to park somewhat
sideways, so the wind wasn't pushing it backwards on me as I was getting
out. Then I had to find some chocks quickly, and put the locks into my
amphib front gear before they went down on me. Anyway, did manage OK, and
that really was a worse case scenario.

Anyway, Terry, good to see that you are working on your Rebel again. Instead
of inventing more work for yourself, get it finished... Or is that Bikini
team sidetracking you too much...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Dazey <dazey@earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Thanks Wayne, Bob, Charlie, Ken and the rest about the need for
a parking brake valve in a rebel.

Seems for the past 21 years, I have been performing my Long-EZ
parking routine with no need for a parking brake. Just stop the
prop, lower the nose, chalk the main gear tires and tie her
down. No need for parking brake there.

On the Rebel, a parking brake system is probably not a
necessity, but sounded like a good idea to me. Sooooo, I think
that I will purchase a valve and necessary hardware and give it
a try. The cons are that it will add build time, weight and
complexity which goes against my building philosophy. Also there
will be more places for potential leaks or hose failure.

Thanks for the "heads-up" reminder on releasing the brake after
all is secure and tied down on the ramp. That item will go on my
post-shutdown checklist.

As far as accidentally landing with the parking brake "ON" (not
a good idea), I was thinking of a "T" handle in the center top
of the instrument panel, near throttle or the lower left side
panel hitting my knee when "engaged" so you can't miss the
position of said handle. In addition, a micro switch at the
valve body lever with red blinking LED light on the instrument
panel near the handle to advise of a "BRAKE ENGAGED" status.

Oh, yeah, Wayne. I am not married, but I asked my ground crew,
the "Swedish Bikini Team", about holding the airplane while I
chalk the tires. They just told me that they don't do ramp
chores. :)

Thanks again!

Over-and-out . . .
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Fly with your wife... make her hold the airplane !

Other than that wheel chalks or the tie down area... brakes
locked on a hot
summer day on the ramp is asking for blown calipers and
or lines IMHO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dazey" <dazey@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Parking Brake

Group:

The archive comments are a bit sparse on this question of
three years ago.
What is the opinion of installing a parking brake system on
the
Rebel/Elite, specifically on amphibs? How many out there have
installed
the valve (tail dragger or amphib)? Necessary?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Terry Dazey
R662

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

If using the Cleveland master cylnder-parking brake(Cessna)
such as suggested by"Tim" one must be careful to get the
linkage just right. I have this type of parking brake on my Meranda
and on one of the first taxi tests I applied left rudder and the
brake locked up, fortunately I was going slow so nothing
happened, but it could have locked up in the air and I wouldn't
have known it. I disconected them and find that I don't need
them
Keith P. R318

On 1/15/2009 1:05 PM, tjhickey@iowatelecom.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I should have jumped in here sooner, but I just remembered the following:
->
-> Cessna uses (on some models) a small tab that fits over the shaft of the
-> brake cylinder rod and that serves as the parking brake. To activate you
-> apply the brakes, then pull a string, and the tab lifts up and engages and
-> locks the brake cylinder shaft. It prevents the shaft from withdrawing from
-> the brake cylinder. To release, you apply the brakes, and the tab falls,
and
-> then the brake can release. The total added weight is very small. Can it
be
-> made to work on the Murphy? I don't know, but if any body wants a
picture, I
-> will crawl under the panel of my Zenith and take one.
->
-> This will be cheaper than a valve, and lots lighter.
->
-> Tim Hickey
-> R808
->

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm**

At 07:30 PM 14/01/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Fairly easy to install a holding valve but make sure it has a positive
off position and can't inadvertantly be activated in flight. (Landing
with it on is not recommended...) I paid about $20. for a used valve.

I use it all the time during warmup when I'm heads down playing with
gps, seat belts, maps etc. and consider it a worthwhile safety feature.
It is also occasionaly handy to hold the plane until I get the chocks in
but I've found that to be very rare. Don't think I've ever noticed one
in any other Rebel though.

Ken

Better get over that heads down habit before you're floating on a lake ;-)
Drew

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