[rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180 --- Powder Coating, N
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:07 pm
Screws sound good if you can find a # 6 structural strength. But you
will probably be better off with #8 in a MS or AN part number. That is
what I am considering on the SR
Dick Wampach SR=108
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Ricker
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180 ---
Powder Coating, Nutplates
Eric
I've been following the discussion on your panel and it's a good
motivation for
our project which is off-line for the moment for house building/moving.
Nice
piece of work you've done.
You mentioned powder coating the panel. From what we understand from
MAM the
panel is a structural part of the airframe so that may not be a good
idea. The
curing temperature for powder coating is generally above the temperature
which
will anneal (remove heat treatment) the 6061-T6 making its yield
strength much
lower. I'm told there are some lower temperature powder coating
processes but
for the work I do with structural aluminum (marine cranes) we consider
the
process too risky.
Speaking of structural, I also see you mentioned using screws to hold
the panel
in, an idea I like, looking at the in-plane photo are the locations
essentially
where the rivits would have been used? What size screws, about #6?
Cheers,
Dave
Elite 583
Eric Fogelin wrote:
David A. Ricker
Fall River, Nova Scotia
Canada
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will probably be better off with #8 in a MS or AN part number. That is
what I am considering on the SR
Dick Wampach SR=108
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Ricker
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180 ---
Powder Coating, Nutplates
Eric
I've been following the discussion on your panel and it's a good
motivation for
our project which is off-line for the moment for house building/moving.
Nice
piece of work you've done.
You mentioned powder coating the panel. From what we understand from
MAM the
panel is a structural part of the airframe so that may not be a good
idea. The
curing temperature for powder coating is generally above the temperature
which
will anneal (remove heat treatment) the 6061-T6 making its yield
strength much
lower. I'm told there are some lower temperature powder coating
processes but
for the work I do with structural aluminum (marine cranes) we consider
the
process too risky.
Speaking of structural, I also see you mentioned using screws to hold
the panel
in, an idea I like, looking at the in-plane photo are the locations
essentially
where the rivits would have been used? What size screws, about #6?
Cheers,
Dave
Elite 583
Eric Fogelin wrote:
can goI went back and forth on white text or black. With a grey panel, you
tear. Ifeither way. I used vinyl labels which should stand up to wear and
powderyou knew that you would never change your panel, you could get it
panel incoated and labels silk screened.
But, the fun of building your own plane is that you can change your
labelthe future. I know and knew I would. Right now there is a temporary
helpsmarked GRUMP. Not only does it describe my personality, this also
place. Itremind me to put the water rudders and landing gear in the correct
moreis a variation of the standard takeoff and landing GUMP:
G - Gas
R - Water "R"udders
U - Undercarriage
M - Mixture
P - Prop
In the future I may modify the panel and add lights, horns, mirrors,
scraplabels, or just never get distracted during landing.
Before you decide on a center console, do a mockup with cardboard or
thataluminum. I went through a couple of design ideas before I found one
not awould work and was sturdy.
I plan a 3rd seat in the future. Plenty of room in the back and CG is
child orproblem. An adult would be comfortable for a $100 hamburger ride, a
liketeenager, no problem.
Eric
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
james.smith@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180
Eric,
Your panel looks great. I'm going to use the clear tape labels just
have ayours
except I am thinking of black ink instead of white, although now I
well, mygood example of the the alternative option.
Hopefully there will be two pilots in the family in the future as
thewife
started her primary instruction a few years ago but quit when she got
pregnant with our first child. Hopefully she'll start up again once
oldRebel is
airborn and the fact that we installed a 3rd seat for our now 3 year
woulddaughter.
I sure do like the simplicty of the Garmin stack but the only way it
you did.work
in an Rebel panel would be to add the drop down center console like
PanelJames
On 11/29/2008 4:02 PM, elist@whidbey.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> I posted pictures of my Elite amphib panel in the Elite Instrument
etc.-> section. Also shows the center console for the hydraulic selector,
D120 as->
-> We have similar layouts. I went for the separate Dynon D100 and
full-> there are 2 pilots in the household and you can switch EFIS and EMS
screens
-> between the units. Flying pilot just switches the screens to have
Dynon-> flying display in front of them.
->
-> Less expensive to go with the D180 and a bit less weight. But, the
weighs-> units weigh so little, it doesn't really matter. One Dynon unit
myabout
-> the same or less than a turn and bank, but includes every flight
instrument
-> imaginable.
->
-> I also have not installed a backup ASI or Altimeter and I certified
the-> amphib for VFR and IFR. Unlike a certified aircraft which must meet
with-> requirements of Part 23 (in the US), homebuilts need only comply
layers-> 91.205. It is up to the builder to decide what they feel is safe.
->
-> I plan on using mine to pop through the thin West Coast marine
inland.that
-> we have so that I can fly to/from beautiful sunny and warm lakes
become->
-> Right now, I'm still in my 40 hour test phase and learning to
and thefriends
-> with a glass cockpit. I've gotten mighty used to old steam gauges
gauges-> transition to speed and altitude tapes is a bit of work. Engine
includewith
-> digital numbers are not intuitive like needles. The Dynon units
Of-> needles and numbers, but I still have to think when I look at the
screens.
-> And I'm a computer geek.
->
-> Lots of fun.
->
-> Eric
-> Elite Amphib 645E
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Instrument-> james.smith@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:27 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180
->
-> I have posted a picture of my instrument panel under the Rebel
D180-> Panel section of files if anyone is interested in what the Dynon
EFIS andwould
-> look like in a Rebel. I am using the D180 which is the combined
Terra-> EMS
-> system. Also have panel mounted Garmin 196/496 series GPS and
desired.Com
-> and Transponder. Decided against backup ASI and Altimeter although
there
-> is room to add 2 1/4 gauges under the Dynon at a later date if
theThe
->
-> garmin, radios and Throttle are deadcenter of the panel. Now that
willrough
->
-> cut is finished, we'll take apart to prime, paint and label. Panel
--be
-> a light
-> gray interior color.
->
-> Anyway, just my take on a lightweight, new age panel.
->
-> James Smith
-> Rebel 424R
->
->
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