[rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on RebelAmphi
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:56 pm
Don't ever try to fly a canoe unright on the spreader bars- even if it's a plastic one like Coleman that doesn't scratch your paint. Been there, done just that and will never do it again!! 16' also presents a problem with the front just inches behind the prop and the tail just dragging in the water.
Steve W. > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:00:55 -0600> From: wright.garry30@gmail.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on RebelAmphi> > De Remer also says that loads of plywood must be carefully tied together > (preferably nailed or screwed) so that they cannot separate vertically, > and create enormous drag in so doing. Somewhere else I read that the > turbulence off the blunt end, if flown blunt end aft, will cause > problems with the elevator or rudder. Its not pointy end forward that is > the problem. Its blunt end aft that is the problem. On water, since the > blunt end is not normally fully immersed as it is in air, such > turbulence is not a problem. :-D> > Garry> > Dave Ricker wrote:> > Now this is just for the sake of a chuckle but it's interesting to note that the> > canoe in water doesn't travel blunt end first ;-P> > And then there's the problem of a canoe with two pointy ends......> >> > The canoe tied to the floats
like that is an eye op
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ner but my doctor told me a> > story about building a cottage on a remote lake and flying all the lumber in on> > the spreaders of his Supercub. He mentioned in particular flying loads of plywood> > this way. I always pictured that a bit sketchy but I suppose that at the right> > angle of attack it could provide some lift!> >> > Dave> >> > Garry wrote:> >> > > >> In the book "Water Flying Concepts' by Dale De Remer on page 8-5 he> >> states 'Blunt ends of objects should be faced into the airflow, pointing> >> forward. In other words, a canoe with a transom for mounting a motor> >> must be attached with the transom facing forward.'> >>> >> Wayne has already proved the workability of this method on the Rebel.> >> Thank-you Wayne. If anyone else wants to experiment with other methods,> >> looking into the written lore would be a good direction to start in.> >>> >> Garry> >>> >> bransom@dcsol.com wrote:> >> > >>> On 10/9/2008 2:52 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> >>>> >>
>> >>> > >>>> Which way
does the blunt end of a steamline strut face Ben???..and the> >>>> pointy end?> >>>>> >>>> > >>> I'm not sure I buy the comparison. The strut has smooth corners on the> >>> front edge. The canoe has hard corners which would make turbulence and> >>> eddies making a larger effective frontal area and drag. It's true there> >>> would be eddies on the trailing side of a square corner thing too, but I> >>> still think the eddies and drag would be less. I'd also guess the> >>> stability would be better (yaw and pitch) with the pointy end at the front,> >>> but heck, you've already found it to be a non issue.> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> That was another myth I was always told... the real reason apparently is it> >>>> can't slip out thru the straps if the narrow end is at the back! lol> >>>>> >>>> > >>> Now this one, yeah, I'm with ya there!> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>> From: <bransom@dcsol.com>> >>>> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:
27 PM> >>>> Subject: Re
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[rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on Rebel> >>>> Amphi> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> Wayne> >>>>> Impressive that the Rebel hardly cares about that big thing on there. Why> >>>>> did you face the canoe backward instead of forward? Seems drag would be> >>>>> slightly less with that transom in the back.> >>>>>> >>>>> Anyway, it's a pretty sight and one more great thing to look forward to.> >>>>> So Thanks!!> >>>>> -Ben> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> I think a 14 'r might block too much Stabilizer air flow. It may be> >>>>>> alright> >>>>>> though. I tried Leah's 16 canoe... but it was too long period.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> As for what I have... I've been trying to buy it off my 75 year old AME> >>>>>> for> >>>>>> a few years. He finally decided he could part with it. It's 20+ years old> >>>>>> and still never seen water! It's light/aluminum and with the wide transom> >>>>>> more stable than a normal canoe.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>>>> From: "D
rew Dalgleish" <drewjan
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cabletv.on.ca>> >>>>>> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:09 PM> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on Rebel> >>>>>> Amphib> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 09:53 PM 10/8/2008 -0400, you wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Pictures are up in Rebel Float installations.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's pretty impressive Wayne. Did you choose the sportspal for a> >>>>>>> reason> >>>>>>> or was it just something that found you? I have a 14' sportspal canoe> >>>>>>> at> >>>>>>> camp but I think I'd rather get a small kayak for fishing from.> >>>>>>> Drew> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------> >>>>>>> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> >>>>>>> username "rebel" password "builder"> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> >>>>>>> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> >>>>>>> -----------
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Steve W. > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:00:55 -0600> From: wright.garry30@gmail.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on RebelAmphi> > De Remer also says that loads of plywood must be carefully tied together > (preferably nailed or screwed) so that they cannot separate vertically, > and create enormous drag in so doing. Somewhere else I read that the > turbulence off the blunt end, if flown blunt end aft, will cause > problems with the elevator or rudder. Its not pointy end forward that is > the problem. Its blunt end aft that is the problem. On water, since the > blunt end is not normally fully immersed as it is in air, such > turbulence is not a problem. :-D> > Garry> > Dave Ricker wrote:> > Now this is just for the sake of a chuckle but it's interesting to note that the> > canoe in water doesn't travel blunt end first ;-P> > And then there's the problem of a canoe with two pointy ends......> >> > The canoe tied to the floats
like that is an eye op
e
ner but my doctor told me a> > story about building a cottage on a remote lake and flying all the lumber in on> > the spreaders of his Supercub. He mentioned in particular flying loads of plywood> > this way. I always pictured that a bit sketchy but I suppose that at the right> > angle of attack it could provide some lift!> >> > Dave> >> > Garry wrote:> >> > > >> In the book "Water Flying Concepts' by Dale De Remer on page 8-5 he> >> states 'Blunt ends of objects should be faced into the airflow, pointing> >> forward. In other words, a canoe with a transom for mounting a motor> >> must be attached with the transom facing forward.'> >>> >> Wayne has already proved the workability of this method on the Rebel.> >> Thank-you Wayne. If anyone else wants to experiment with other methods,> >> looking into the written lore would be a good direction to start in.> >>> >> Garry> >>> >> bransom@dcsol.com wrote:> >> > >>> On 10/9/2008 2:52 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> >>>> >>
>> >>> > >>>> Which way
does the blunt end of a steamline strut face Ben???..and the> >>>> pointy end?> >>>>> >>>> > >>> I'm not sure I buy the comparison. The strut has smooth corners on the> >>> front edge. The canoe has hard corners which would make turbulence and> >>> eddies making a larger effective frontal area and drag. It's true there> >>> would be eddies on the trailing side of a square corner thing too, but I> >>> still think the eddies and drag would be less. I'd also guess the> >>> stability would be better (yaw and pitch) with the pointy end at the front,> >>> but heck, you've already found it to be a non issue.> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> That was another myth I was always told... the real reason apparently is it> >>>> can't slip out thru the straps if the narrow end is at the back! lol> >>>>> >>>> > >>> Now this one, yeah, I'm with ya there!> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>> From: <bransom@dcsol.com>> >>>> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:
27 PM> >>>> Subject: Re
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[rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on Rebel> >>>> Amphi> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> Wayne> >>>>> Impressive that the Rebel hardly cares about that big thing on there. Why> >>>>> did you face the canoe backward instead of forward? Seems drag would be> >>>>> slightly less with that transom in the back.> >>>>>> >>>>> Anyway, it's a pretty sight and one more great thing to look forward to.> >>>>> So Thanks!!> >>>>> -Ben> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> I think a 14 'r might block too much Stabilizer air flow. It may be> >>>>>> alright> >>>>>> though. I tried Leah's 16 canoe... but it was too long period.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> As for what I have... I've been trying to buy it off my 75 year old AME> >>>>>> for> >>>>>> a few years. He finally decided he could part with it. It's 20+ years old> >>>>>> and still never seen water! It's light/aluminum and with the wide transom> >>>>>> more stable than a normal canoe.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>>>> From: "D
rew Dalgleish" <drewjan
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cabletv.on.ca>> >>>>>> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:09 PM> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: External Load Carrying - Canoe on Rebel> >>>>>> Amphib> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 09:53 PM 10/8/2008 -0400, you wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Pictures are up in Rebel Float installations.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's pretty impressive Wayne. Did you choose the sportspal for a> >>>>>>> reason> >>>>>>> or was it just something that found you? I have a 14' sportspal canoe> >>>>>>> at> >>>>>>> camp but I think I'd rather get a small kayak for fishing from.> >>>>>>> Drew> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------> >>>>>>> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> >>>>>>> username "rebel" password "builder"> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> >>>>>>> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> >>>>>>> -----------
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