Rambler update - Rebel O-360 engine
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:47 pm
Just moving this over to Rebel Builders - in case anyone is
interested ....
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Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2008 13:27
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
No, I already had the heavier .032 bottom corners and .025 upper ones, and a
few other mods to strengthen the front fuselage. The fuselage is also cut
back 3 inches.
This O-360 is at most 10 pounds heavier that my old O-320. While the crank
and prop may be heavier, these new ECI cylinders are actually 5 pounds
lighter. And my new cowl is about 5 pounds lighter than the old one. So net
weight difference with the new engine was negligible in my case.
Yes, on my first flight, I noticed I had to use more right rudder on
take-off and climb, but cruise is the same. I also have my vertical fin
offset by .75 inches as per the original instructions, so that probably
helps in my case, too.
So in flight, and on the water, this plane behaves exactly as before except
better performance. The VGs also work better with this engine for water
take-offs.
Please note that I am not advocating using this engine in the Rebel for
normal amphib operations. My old O-320 worked very well. But my flying is
mostly in the mountains, and I like going into smaller high alpine lakes,
where you need more power, but your engine produces far less than its rated
HP.
For normal cruise, I just throttle back and enjoy my better fuel efficiency
as I did on this last trip.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kpierson@dcsol.com
Sent: July 22, 2008 9:00 PM
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Walter: Did you make structural modifications to your
Rebel fuselage befor you installed the 180 hp engine?
Also with the larger engine does the aircraft have any yaw
tendance?
Keith 318R
--------------------------
On 7/22/2008 6:49 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-ramble:
-> Yes, still on floats. It was around 110 mph nearer to sea level when
going
-> to the lake locally, but didn't spend much time there, as I was trying to
-> break in the new engine. So most of my initial time was spent around 2500
-> and 120 mph.
->
-> On the trip, I always went pretty high, so of course my RPM was much
higher
-> for the same air speed, but I was clipping along pretty fast with ground
-> speed. Even in headwinds coming back west, I was usually showing over
100
-> mph on the GPS. Up high (above 8000) I usually ran it around 2550. Fuel
flow
-> was between 7 and 7.5 US gph for most of the trip.
->
-> You say you have a 76 X 54 on your O-320. Is that a Sensenich? My old
150 HP
-> O-320 had a 74 X 54 Sensenich and did 105 mph at 2400 RPM at sea level
and
-> 7.5 gph. Best climb solo was 1100 fpm while the new engine will do 1800
fpm.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Bob
-> Fisher
-> Sent: July 22, 2008 6:57 PM
-> To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
-> hi walter are still flying with floats on? what is your cruise speed
at
-> 2400 with the longer prop?
->
-> bob fisher rebel 342 on amphibs 160 hp 76 x 54
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:31 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
->
-> > Just got back from my own mini ramble out to Manitoba and back. Made
it
-> > each
-> > way (1100 miles one way) in one day comfortably. On the way east,
had to
-> > dodge t-storms all afternoon through Saskatchewan (hard on the
nerves),
-> > but
-> > happily, when I got to my destination (Swan River), the sky was clear.
-> >
-> > My new engine worked great. I found it to be about .5 to 1 US gph
better
-> > in
-> > fuel efficiency than my old O-320 when at the same cruise speed. If I
run
-> > it
-> > at the same fuel flow as the old engine, I did about 5 mph faster. I
think
-> > that is mostly due to the electronic ignition. Having a bigger diameter
-> > prop
-> > (76) probably helps, too. And I had a much better time maintaining my
-> > desired altitude through the mountains. Before I was pretty much at the
-> > mercy of the winds, and was not exactly keeping to the proper cruise
-> > altitudes.
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Tom
-> > Inglis
-> > Sent: July 20, 2008 5:29 AM
-> > To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >
-> > I am thinking about going Jim, but I need to drive, as I am trying set
-> > up some customer visits in Chicago and Appleton.
-> > Not sure of my plan yet
-> > Tom
-> > On 20-Jul-08, at 8:10 AM, Jim Cole wrote:
-> >
-> >> Maybe you should come to Osh with me Tom - great place for all the
-> >> research
-> >> that you might need!!!!!
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> Jim
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> On 7/20/2008 5:15 AM, "Tom Inglis" <inglis@scsinternet.com> wrote:
-> >>
-> >>> Although my portion was shortened this year, I too would like to
-> >>> thank
-> >>> everyone who planned and assisted in the adventure as well.
-> >>> Special Thanks to Fish and Ken for helping me at Lindsay
-> >>> QD is now down at Purple Hill Air, and I am trying to decide what I
-> >>> am
-> >>> going to do about a gear upgrade.
-> >>> It will be a few weeks before she is in the air again.
-> >>> glad to hear the rest of the trip went well for everyone.
-> >>>
-> >>> Tom
-> >>>
-> >>>
-> >>> On 19-Jul-08, at 7:33 PM, Bob Fisher wrote:
-> >>>
-> >>>> hi guys got home safe and sound at about 16.30 water in the
-> >>>> bay is
-> >>>> higher than normal so had to modify the ramp a bit
-> >>>>
-> >>>> what a great day! what a great week! did I happen to mention---
-
-> >>>> ja da ja
-> >>>> da ja da! ha ha
-> >>>>
-> >>>> seriously i want to thank you guys for helping me with all the
-> >>>> flying and
-> >>>> radio work I learned a lot this past week!! and had a great time!
-> >>>>
-> >>>> did anyone talk with Tom yet?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> jim i have your new mattress same as mine i think! is it
-> >>>> missing from
-> >>>> your stuff?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> fish
-> >>>>
-> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
-> >>>> From: "Jim Cole" <jcole@rangroup.com>
-> >>>> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:25 PM
-> >>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >>>>
-> >>>>
-> >>>>> Bob Fisher landed with me in Parry Sound and then was off to
-> >>>>> visit a
-> >>>>> friend
-> >>>>> on "The Bay" so I assume he is in the vincinity of home.
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> Cheers
-> >>>>> Jim
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> On 7/19/2008 4:18 PM, "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>> Everybody get home OK?
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> We got beat up pretty good in hot and rough air on the last leg
-> >>>>>> but
-> >>>>>> Ducky is home safe and sound. (and it is ready for the next
-> >>>>>> trip...)
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> thank you to everyone who planned and assisted a great
adventure.
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> Ken and Cherie
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-------------------------------------------------------
No, I already had the heavier .032 bottom corners and .025 upper ones, and a
few other mods to strengthen the front fuselage. The fuselage is also cut
back 3 inches.
This O-360 is at most 10 pounds heavier that my old O-320. While the crank
and prop may be heavier, these new ECI cylinders are actually 5 pounds
lighter. And my new cowl is about 5 pounds lighter than the old one. So net
weight difference with the new engine was negligible in my case.
Yes, on my first flight, I noticed I had to use more right rudder on
take-off and climb, but cruise is the same. I also have my vertical fin
offset by .75 inches as per the original instructions, so that probably
helps in my case, too.
So in flight, and on the water, this plane behaves exactly as before except
better performance. The VGs also work better with this engine for water
take-offs.
Please note that I am not advocating using this engine in the Rebel for
normal amphib operations. My old O-320 worked very well. But my flying is
mostly in the mountains, and I like going into smaller high alpine lakes,
where you need more power, but your engine produces far less than its rated
HP.
For normal cruise, I just throttle back and enjoy my better fuel efficiency
as I did on this last trip.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kpierson@dcsol.com
Sent: July 22, 2008 9:00 PM
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Walter: Did you make structural modifications to your
Rebel fuselage befor you installed the 180 hp engine?
Also with the larger engine does the aircraft have any yaw
tendance?
Keith 318R
On 7/22/2008 6:49 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-ramble:
-> Yes, still on floats. It was around 110 mph nearer to sea level when
going
-> to the lake locally, but didn't spend much time there, as I was trying to
-> break in the new engine. So most of my initial time was spent around 2500
-> and 120 mph.
->
-> On the trip, I always went pretty high, so of course my RPM was much
higher
-> for the same air speed, but I was clipping along pretty fast with ground
-> speed. Even in headwinds coming back west, I was usually showing over
100
-> mph on the GPS. Up high (above 8000) I usually ran it around 2550. Fuel
flow
-> was between 7 and 7.5 US gph for most of the trip.
->
-> You say you have a 76 X 54 on your O-320. Is that a Sensenich? My old
150 HP
-> O-320 had a 74 X 54 Sensenich and did 105 mph at 2400 RPM at sea level
and
-> 7.5 gph. Best climb solo was 1100 fpm while the new engine will do 1800
fpm.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Bob
-> Fisher
-> Sent: July 22, 2008 6:57 PM
-> To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
-> hi walter are still flying with floats on? what is your cruise speed
at
-> 2400 with the longer prop?
->
-> bob fisher rebel 342 on amphibs 160 hp 76 x 54
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:31 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
->
-> > Just got back from my own mini ramble out to Manitoba and back. Made
it
-> > each
-> > way (1100 miles one way) in one day comfortably. On the way east,
had to
-> > dodge t-storms all afternoon through Saskatchewan (hard on the
nerves),
-> > but
-> > happily, when I got to my destination (Swan River), the sky was clear.
-> >
-> > My new engine worked great. I found it to be about .5 to 1 US gph
better
-> > in
-> > fuel efficiency than my old O-320 when at the same cruise speed. If I
run
-> > it
-> > at the same fuel flow as the old engine, I did about 5 mph faster. I
think
-> > that is mostly due to the electronic ignition. Having a bigger diameter
-> > prop
-> > (76) probably helps, too. And I had a much better time maintaining my
-> > desired altitude through the mountains. Before I was pretty much at the
-> > mercy of the winds, and was not exactly keeping to the proper cruise
-> > altitudes.
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Tom
-> > Inglis
-> > Sent: July 20, 2008 5:29 AM
-> > To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >
-> > I am thinking about going Jim, but I need to drive, as I am trying set
-> > up some customer visits in Chicago and Appleton.
-> > Not sure of my plan yet
-> > Tom
-> > On 20-Jul-08, at 8:10 AM, Jim Cole wrote:
-> >
-> >> Maybe you should come to Osh with me Tom - great place for all the
-> >> research
-> >> that you might need!!!!!
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> Jim
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> On 7/20/2008 5:15 AM, "Tom Inglis" <inglis@scsinternet.com> wrote:
-> >>
-> >>> Although my portion was shortened this year, I too would like to
-> >>> thank
-> >>> everyone who planned and assisted in the adventure as well.
-> >>> Special Thanks to Fish and Ken for helping me at Lindsay
-> >>> QD is now down at Purple Hill Air, and I am trying to decide what I
-> >>> am
-> >>> going to do about a gear upgrade.
-> >>> It will be a few weeks before she is in the air again.
-> >>> glad to hear the rest of the trip went well for everyone.
-> >>>
-> >>> Tom
-> >>>
-> >>>
-> >>> On 19-Jul-08, at 7:33 PM, Bob Fisher wrote:
-> >>>
-> >>>> hi guys got home safe and sound at about 16.30 water in the
-> >>>> bay is
-> >>>> higher than normal so had to modify the ramp a bit
-> >>>>
-> >>>> what a great day! what a great week! did I happen to mention---
-
-> >>>> ja da ja
-> >>>> da ja da! ha ha
-> >>>>
-> >>>> seriously i want to thank you guys for helping me with all the
-> >>>> flying and
-> >>>> radio work I learned a lot this past week!! and had a great time!
-> >>>>
-> >>>> did anyone talk with Tom yet?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> jim i have your new mattress same as mine i think! is it
-> >>>> missing from
-> >>>> your stuff?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> fish
-> >>>>
-> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
-> >>>> From: "Jim Cole" <jcole@rangroup.com>
-> >>>> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:25 PM
-> >>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >>>>
-> >>>>
-> >>>>> Bob Fisher landed with me in Parry Sound and then was off to
-> >>>>> visit a
-> >>>>> friend
-> >>>>> on "The Bay" so I assume he is in the vincinity of home.
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> Cheers
-> >>>>> Jim
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> On 7/19/2008 4:18 PM, "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>> Everybody get home OK?
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> We got beat up pretty good in hot and rough air on the last leg
-> >>>>>> but
-> >>>>>> Ducky is home safe and sound. (and it is ready for the next
-> >>>>>> trip...)
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> thank you to everyone who planned and assisted a great
adventure.
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> Ken and Cherie
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2008 13:27
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
No, I already had the heavier .032 bottom corners and .025 upper ones, and a
few other mods to strengthen the front fuselage. The fuselage is also cut
back 3 inches.
This O-360 is at most 10 pounds heavier that my old O-320. While the crank
and prop may be heavier, these new ECI cylinders are actually 5 pounds
lighter. And my new cowl is about 5 pounds lighter than the old one. So net
weight difference with the new engine was negligible in my case.
Yes, on my first flight, I noticed I had to use more right rudder on
take-off and climb, but cruise is the same. I also have my vertical fin
offset by .75 inches as per the original instructions, so that probably
helps in my case, too.
So in flight, and on the water, this plane behaves exactly as before except
better performance. The VGs also work better with this engine for water
take-offs.
Please note that I am not advocating using this engine in the Rebel for
normal amphib operations. My old O-320 worked very well. But my flying is
mostly in the mountains, and I like going into smaller high alpine lakes,
where you need more power, but your engine produces far less than its rated
HP.
For normal cruise, I just throttle back and enjoy my better fuel efficiency
as I did on this last trip.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kpierson@dcsol.com
Sent: July 22, 2008 9:00 PM
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Walter: Did you make structural modifications to your
Rebel fuselage befor you installed the 180 hp engine?
Also with the larger engine does the aircraft have any yaw
tendance?
Keith 318R
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On 7/22/2008 6:49 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-ramble:
-> Yes, still on floats. It was around 110 mph nearer to sea level when
going
-> to the lake locally, but didn't spend much time there, as I was trying to
-> break in the new engine. So most of my initial time was spent around 2500
-> and 120 mph.
->
-> On the trip, I always went pretty high, so of course my RPM was much
higher
-> for the same air speed, but I was clipping along pretty fast with ground
-> speed. Even in headwinds coming back west, I was usually showing over
100
-> mph on the GPS. Up high (above 8000) I usually ran it around 2550. Fuel
flow
-> was between 7 and 7.5 US gph for most of the trip.
->
-> You say you have a 76 X 54 on your O-320. Is that a Sensenich? My old
150 HP
-> O-320 had a 74 X 54 Sensenich and did 105 mph at 2400 RPM at sea level
and
-> 7.5 gph. Best climb solo was 1100 fpm while the new engine will do 1800
fpm.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Bob
-> Fisher
-> Sent: July 22, 2008 6:57 PM
-> To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
-> hi walter are still flying with floats on? what is your cruise speed
at
-> 2400 with the longer prop?
->
-> bob fisher rebel 342 on amphibs 160 hp 76 x 54
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:31 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
->
-> > Just got back from my own mini ramble out to Manitoba and back. Made
it
-> > each
-> > way (1100 miles one way) in one day comfortably. On the way east,
had to
-> > dodge t-storms all afternoon through Saskatchewan (hard on the
nerves),
-> > but
-> > happily, when I got to my destination (Swan River), the sky was clear.
-> >
-> > My new engine worked great. I found it to be about .5 to 1 US gph
better
-> > in
-> > fuel efficiency than my old O-320 when at the same cruise speed. If I
run
-> > it
-> > at the same fuel flow as the old engine, I did about 5 mph faster. I
think
-> > that is mostly due to the electronic ignition. Having a bigger diameter
-> > prop
-> > (76) probably helps, too. And I had a much better time maintaining my
-> > desired altitude through the mountains. Before I was pretty much at the
-> > mercy of the winds, and was not exactly keeping to the proper cruise
-> > altitudes.
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Tom
-> > Inglis
-> > Sent: July 20, 2008 5:29 AM
-> > To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >
-> > I am thinking about going Jim, but I need to drive, as I am trying set
-> > up some customer visits in Chicago and Appleton.
-> > Not sure of my plan yet
-> > Tom
-> > On 20-Jul-08, at 8:10 AM, Jim Cole wrote:
-> >
-> >> Maybe you should come to Osh with me Tom - great place for all the
-> >> research
-> >> that you might need!!!!!
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> Jim
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> On 7/20/2008 5:15 AM, "Tom Inglis" <inglis@scsinternet.com> wrote:
-> >>
-> >>> Although my portion was shortened this year, I too would like to
-> >>> thank
-> >>> everyone who planned and assisted in the adventure as well.
-> >>> Special Thanks to Fish and Ken for helping me at Lindsay
-> >>> QD is now down at Purple Hill Air, and I am trying to decide what I
-> >>> am
-> >>> going to do about a gear upgrade.
-> >>> It will be a few weeks before she is in the air again.
-> >>> glad to hear the rest of the trip went well for everyone.
-> >>>
-> >>> Tom
-> >>>
-> >>>
-> >>> On 19-Jul-08, at 7:33 PM, Bob Fisher wrote:
-> >>>
-> >>>> hi guys got home safe and sound at about 16.30 water in the
-> >>>> bay is
-> >>>> higher than normal so had to modify the ramp a bit
-> >>>>
-> >>>> what a great day! what a great week! did I happen to mention---
-
-> >>>> ja da ja
-> >>>> da ja da! ha ha
-> >>>>
-> >>>> seriously i want to thank you guys for helping me with all the
-> >>>> flying and
-> >>>> radio work I learned a lot this past week!! and had a great time!
-> >>>>
-> >>>> did anyone talk with Tom yet?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> jim i have your new mattress same as mine i think! is it
-> >>>> missing from
-> >>>> your stuff?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> fish
-> >>>>
-> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
-> >>>> From: "Jim Cole" <jcole@rangroup.com>
-> >>>> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:25 PM
-> >>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >>>>
-> >>>>
-> >>>>> Bob Fisher landed with me in Parry Sound and then was off to
-> >>>>> visit a
-> >>>>> friend
-> >>>>> on "The Bay" so I assume he is in the vincinity of home.
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> Cheers
-> >>>>> Jim
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> On 7/19/2008 4:18 PM, "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>> Everybody get home OK?
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> We got beat up pretty good in hot and rough air on the last leg
-> >>>>>> but
-> >>>>>> Ducky is home safe and sound. (and it is ready for the next
-> >>>>>> trip...)
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> thank you to everyone who planned and assisted a great
adventure.
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> Ken and Cherie
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-------------------------------------------------------
No, I already had the heavier .032 bottom corners and .025 upper ones, and a
few other mods to strengthen the front fuselage. The fuselage is also cut
back 3 inches.
This O-360 is at most 10 pounds heavier that my old O-320. While the crank
and prop may be heavier, these new ECI cylinders are actually 5 pounds
lighter. And my new cowl is about 5 pounds lighter than the old one. So net
weight difference with the new engine was negligible in my case.
Yes, on my first flight, I noticed I had to use more right rudder on
take-off and climb, but cruise is the same. I also have my vertical fin
offset by .75 inches as per the original instructions, so that probably
helps in my case, too.
So in flight, and on the water, this plane behaves exactly as before except
better performance. The VGs also work better with this engine for water
take-offs.
Please note that I am not advocating using this engine in the Rebel for
normal amphib operations. My old O-320 worked very well. But my flying is
mostly in the mountains, and I like going into smaller high alpine lakes,
where you need more power, but your engine produces far less than its rated
HP.
For normal cruise, I just throttle back and enjoy my better fuel efficiency
as I did on this last trip.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kpierson@dcsol.com
Sent: July 22, 2008 9:00 PM
To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
Walter: Did you make structural modifications to your
Rebel fuselage befor you installed the 180 hp engine?
Also with the larger engine does the aircraft have any yaw
tendance?
Keith 318R
On 7/22/2008 6:49 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-ramble:
-> Yes, still on floats. It was around 110 mph nearer to sea level when
going
-> to the lake locally, but didn't spend much time there, as I was trying to
-> break in the new engine. So most of my initial time was spent around 2500
-> and 120 mph.
->
-> On the trip, I always went pretty high, so of course my RPM was much
higher
-> for the same air speed, but I was clipping along pretty fast with ground
-> speed. Even in headwinds coming back west, I was usually showing over
100
-> mph on the GPS. Up high (above 8000) I usually ran it around 2550. Fuel
flow
-> was between 7 and 7.5 US gph for most of the trip.
->
-> You say you have a 76 X 54 on your O-320. Is that a Sensenich? My old
150 HP
-> O-320 had a 74 X 54 Sensenich and did 105 mph at 2400 RPM at sea level
and
-> 7.5 gph. Best climb solo was 1100 fpm while the new engine will do 1800
fpm.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Bob
-> Fisher
-> Sent: July 22, 2008 6:57 PM
-> To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
-> hi walter are still flying with floats on? what is your cruise speed
at
-> 2400 with the longer prop?
->
-> bob fisher rebel 342 on amphibs 160 hp 76 x 54
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:31 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
->
->
-> > Just got back from my own mini ramble out to Manitoba and back. Made
it
-> > each
-> > way (1100 miles one way) in one day comfortably. On the way east,
had to
-> > dodge t-storms all afternoon through Saskatchewan (hard on the
nerves),
-> > but
-> > happily, when I got to my destination (Swan River), the sky was clear.
-> >
-> > My new engine worked great. I found it to be about .5 to 1 US gph
better
-> > in
-> > fuel efficiency than my old O-320 when at the same cruise speed. If I
run
-> > it
-> > at the same fuel flow as the old engine, I did about 5 mph faster. I
think
-> > that is mostly due to the electronic ignition. Having a bigger diameter
-> > prop
-> > (76) probably helps, too. And I had a much better time maintaining my
-> > desired altitude through the mountains. Before I was pretty much at the
-> > mercy of the winds, and was not exactly keeping to the proper cruise
-> > altitudes.
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Tom
-> > Inglis
-> > Sent: July 20, 2008 5:29 AM
-> > To: rebel-ramble@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >
-> > I am thinking about going Jim, but I need to drive, as I am trying set
-> > up some customer visits in Chicago and Appleton.
-> > Not sure of my plan yet
-> > Tom
-> > On 20-Jul-08, at 8:10 AM, Jim Cole wrote:
-> >
-> >> Maybe you should come to Osh with me Tom - great place for all the
-> >> research
-> >> that you might need!!!!!
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> Jim
-> >>
-> >>
-> >> On 7/20/2008 5:15 AM, "Tom Inglis" <inglis@scsinternet.com> wrote:
-> >>
-> >>> Although my portion was shortened this year, I too would like to
-> >>> thank
-> >>> everyone who planned and assisted in the adventure as well.
-> >>> Special Thanks to Fish and Ken for helping me at Lindsay
-> >>> QD is now down at Purple Hill Air, and I am trying to decide what I
-> >>> am
-> >>> going to do about a gear upgrade.
-> >>> It will be a few weeks before she is in the air again.
-> >>> glad to hear the rest of the trip went well for everyone.
-> >>>
-> >>> Tom
-> >>>
-> >>>
-> >>> On 19-Jul-08, at 7:33 PM, Bob Fisher wrote:
-> >>>
-> >>>> hi guys got home safe and sound at about 16.30 water in the
-> >>>> bay is
-> >>>> higher than normal so had to modify the ramp a bit
-> >>>>
-> >>>> what a great day! what a great week! did I happen to mention---
-
-> >>>> ja da ja
-> >>>> da ja da! ha ha
-> >>>>
-> >>>> seriously i want to thank you guys for helping me with all the
-> >>>> flying and
-> >>>> radio work I learned a lot this past week!! and had a great time!
-> >>>>
-> >>>> did anyone talk with Tom yet?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> jim i have your new mattress same as mine i think! is it
-> >>>> missing from
-> >>>> your stuff?
-> >>>>
-> >>>> fish
-> >>>>
-> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
-> >>>> From: "Jim Cole" <jcole@rangroup.com>
-> >>>> To: <rebel-ramble@dcsol.com>
-> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:25 PM
-> >>>> Subject: Re: [rebel-ramble] Rambler update
-> >>>>
-> >>>>
-> >>>>> Bob Fisher landed with me in Parry Sound and then was off to
-> >>>>> visit a
-> >>>>> friend
-> >>>>> on "The Bay" so I assume he is in the vincinity of home.
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> Cheers
-> >>>>> Jim
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>> On 7/19/2008 4:18 PM, "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
-> >>>>>
-> >>>>>> Everybody get home OK?
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> We got beat up pretty good in hot and rough air on the last leg
-> >>>>>> but
-> >>>>>> Ducky is home safe and sound. (and it is ready for the next
-> >>>>>> trip...)
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> thank you to everyone who planned and assisted a great
adventure.
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>> Ken and Cherie
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
-> >>>>>>
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