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Rebel UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:57 pm
by SWSLOANLK
JUST A WORD

The Rebel UL is rated at 1450 lbs in the USA. Mine is powered by a
Continental IO 240 B4B rated at 125 HP using a Sensenich 72 dia by 56 pitch
propeller. The airframe has the lite lift struts, fabric control surfaces and
a solid rear spar. I fly it at 1450 gross on land and Murphy says I can go to
1525 lbs on floats. Typical solo weight with half fuel is 1125 lbs.

Steve Sloan Rebel 536R
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Rebel UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:57 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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Maybe the UL model sold to the USA is a different animal all together than
our Canadian one, seeing yours has a solid rear spar! Does it have a .063
thou main spar also???

Wayne G. O'Shea

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Subject: Rebel UL

JUST A WORD

The Rebel UL is rated at 1450 lbs in the USA. Mine is powered by a
Continental IO 240 B4B rated at 125 HP using a Sensenich 72 dia by 56
pitch
propeller. The airframe has the lite lift struts, fabric control surfaces
and
a solid rear spar. I fly it at 1450 gross on land and Murphy says I can go
to
1525 lbs on floats. Typical solo weight with half fuel is 1125 lbs.

Steve Sloan Rebel 536R
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Rebel UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:57 pm
by SWSLOANLK
Wayne

After a number of trips to the Murphy factory which is about 150 miles north
of my home, I ordered the Advanced UL Rebel in early 1996 to keep the
airframe as lite as possible as I had a OSMOH A-65 Continental for power. I
finished the plane in May of 1999 using the A-65. (Empty wt. 686 lbs.) During
the start up I found lots of problems with the engine and lost all confidence
in it. I repowered with the IO240 with Murphy Air help and they have been
informed of the changes throughout the project.

In closing, last July during the Arlington Air show Darl Murphy came over to
my hanger and we had a long talk about my plane. I feel very comfortable with
the 1450 lb. gross weight that we are flying at.

Steve Sloan 536R
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Rebel UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:57 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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Steve, that clears a lot up! I guess as long as Darryl is secure with that
weight, then you should be too! What threw me off is you say yours has solid
rear spars. BOTH AULA kits I have bought (385ul and 386ul) have rear spars
that are full of lightening holes. 3 per each rib "bay" all the way across,
except the very end bays. I don't know if Aurele's has these holes or not so
he will have to decide on a safe weight to fly at if he is going to exceed
the AULA 1212lb max gross specified by Transport Canada.

Have fun with the your Rebel,
Wayne

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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:06 PM
Subject: Rebel UL

Wayne

After a number of trips to the Murphy factory which is about 150 miles
north
of my home, I ordered the Advanced UL Rebel in early 1996 to keep the
airframe as lite as possible as I had a OSMOH A-65 Continental for power.
I
finished the plane in May of 1999 using the A-65. (Empty wt. 686 lbs.)
During
the start up I found lots of problems with the engine and lost all
confidence
in it. I repowered with the IO240 with Murphy Air help and they have been
informed of the changes throughout the project.

In closing, last July during the Arlington Air show Darl Murphy came over
to
my hanger and we had a long talk about my plane. I feel very comfortable
with
the 1450 lb. gross weight that we are flying at.

Steve Sloan 536R
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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by rebel
Hello,

Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or straight
floats?
Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp

What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL

Thanks John


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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Aurele Lavigne
John, as far as I know you can put whatever floats you want, but I would
certainly recommend staying away from amphips. Not only will be pushing the
legal weight limits, you should keep the U/L as light as possible, you'll
need all the power you have to perform on floats. As for the 912S, it sure
is legal and is the same weight as the 912 and if I had the chance I'd swap
my 912 for a 912S tomorrow. As for the differences between Rebels, I'll let
someone else reply such as Bob P. or others. One main difference about the
U/L model is that your gross weight will be capped at the legal limit of
just over 1200 lbs now. From my experience on floats, you wouldn't want to
be any heavier behind a 912. Just my opinion.

P.S. Are you looking to build or would you be interested in buying???

Aurele
Rebel 063

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:57 PM
Subject: REBEL UL

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or straight
floats?
Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp

What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL

Thanks John


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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by rebel
I am not sure which route to take yet. As a Business owner in both Canada and
the US, time is always a premium so probably built may be the right choice.
John

Thanks JohnOn 7/14/2003 3:11 PM, ALAVIGNE@NTL.SYMPATICO.CA wrote to MURPHY-
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-> John, as far as I know you can put whatever floats you want, but I would
-> certainly recommend staying away from amphips. Not only will be pushing the
-> legal weight limits, you should keep the U/L as light as possible, you'll
-> need all the power you have to perform on floats. As for the 912S, it sure
-> is legal and is the same weight as the 912 and if I had the chance I'd swap
-> my 912 for a 912S tomorrow. As for the differences between Rebels, I'll let
-> someone else reply such as Bob P. or others. One main difference about the
-> U/L model is that your gross weight will be capped at the legal limit of
-> just over 1200 lbs now. From my experience on floats, you wouldn't want to
-> be any heavier behind a 912. Just my opinion.
->
-> P.S. Are you looking to build or would you be interested in buying???
->
-> Aurele
-> Rebel 063
->
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-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:57 PM
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->
-> > Hello,
-> >
-> > Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or straight
-> > floats?
-> > Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp
-> >
-> > What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL
-> >
-> > Thanks John
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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Aurele Lavigne
Wayne, of course you're right. I was planning to contact Murphy to find out
if they would file the necessary forms to meet the new limit. As it stands,
the limit is 1050 plus 10 % for floats. Regarding the 912S, you might be
right regarding the extra 20 h.p. not being rated on the Rebel, which would
be a surprise to me since they are the same weight and all, but once again,
if the documentation submitted by Murphy never included it, it may not be
approved.

Do you know if Darryl intended on filing for the new weight limits?

Thanks, Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL,

Pull back the horses there a minute Aurele!! You CANNOT register a Rebel
UL
(in the AULA Catagory )at the new limit of 1232lb at this time, as Darryl
Murphy has still not submitted a new conformance document to Transport
allowing this weight on the AULA model of the Rebel. I confirmed this as
late as Saturday afternoon with my TC contact, as I handed him an envelope
of paperwork for a guys 701 that I made legal after 3 years of flying with
a
912S (after he removed his 532 in 2000)!

You're right, amphibs are definitely out unless maybe the Full Lotus are a
LOT< lighter than the MAM 1500's or similar.
I would also talk to Murphy to confirm that you can indeed put the 912S
into
the AULA model and have it still meet their conformance certification that
was filed with TC using an 80hp 912UL. I know that Darryl was adimant that
some guys in Quebec couldn't use a Continental C85 in an AULA Rebel and
Transport reverted them to a Basic Ultralight (and the guy has to fly
wearing a helmut and can't take a passenger even with his Private Licence
in
his pocket!) I know they are both 912's, but ones a UL and the others a
ULS
and there is 20HP difference between them. Kinda like needing new
paperwork
for going from an O-235 to an O-0320! Same external size, but different
guts
making more HP!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurele Lavigne" <alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL

John, as far as I know you can put whatever floats you want, but I
would
certainly recommend staying away from amphips. Not only will be pushing
the
legal weight limits, you should keep the U/L as light as possible,
you'll
need all the power you have to perform on floats. As for the 912S, it
sure
is legal and is the same weight as the 912 and if I had the chance I'd
swap
my 912 for a 912S tomorrow. As for the differences between Rebels, I'll
let
someone else reply such as Bob P. or others. One main difference about
the
U/L model is that your gross weight will be capped at the legal limit of
just over 1200 lbs now. From my experience on floats, you wouldn't want
to
be any heavier behind a 912. Just my opinion.

P.S. Are you looking to build or would you be interested in buying???

Aurele
Rebel 063

----- Original Message -----
From: <rebel@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:57 PM
Subject: REBEL UL

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or
straight
floats?
Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp

What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL

Thanks John


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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Last time I asked Darryl M. he didn't think the new weight limit was
available yet from TC and didn't think he had to do anything about it. Since
then I have been told that Transport Canada sent every AULA manufacturer the
necessary forms/documents required to submit for "upgrossing" the AULA to
1232lb, although I have no idea if Darryl has done so and may be hesitant to
include those already in the field that are flying (and that he has/had no
control over maintenance etc to date). Don't see it as a substantial issue
though since the design is definitely capable of this new weight.

Original AULA Category is 1058lbs and you can add 154lbs for floats for a
total of 1212lbs when operated on floats. The new limit that is coming out
is going to be 1232lbs AND YOU CAN NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL WEIGHT FOR
FLOATS!!! so doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you bother with the
new limit if you are on floats!!!!.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurele Lavigne" <alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL

Wayne, of course you're right. I was planning to contact Murphy to find
out
if they would file the necessary forms to meet the new limit. As it
stands,
the limit is 1050 plus 10 % for floats. Regarding the 912S, you might be
right regarding the extra 20 h.p. not being rated on the Rebel, which
would
be a surprise to me since they are the same weight and all, but once
again,
if the documentation submitted by Murphy never included it, it may not be
approved.

Do you know if Darryl intended on filing for the new weight limits?

Thanks, Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL,

Pull back the horses there a minute Aurele!! You CANNOT register a Rebel
UL
(in the AULA Catagory )at the new limit of 1232lb at this time, as
Darryl
Murphy has still not submitted a new conformance document to Transport
allowing this weight on the AULA model of the Rebel. I confirmed this as
late as Saturday afternoon with my TC contact, as I handed him an
envelope
of paperwork for a guys 701 that I made legal after 3 years of flying
with
a
912S (after he removed his 532 in 2000)!

You're right, amphibs are definitely out unless maybe the Full Lotus are
a
LOT< lighter than the MAM 1500's or similar.
I would also talk to Murphy to confirm that you can indeed put the 912S
into
the AULA model and have it still meet their conformance certification
that
was filed with TC using an 80hp 912UL. I know that Darryl was adimant
that
some guys in Quebec couldn't use a Continental C85 in an AULA Rebel and
Transport reverted them to a Basic Ultralight (and the guy has to fly
wearing a helmut and can't take a passenger even with his Private
Licence
in
his pocket!) I know they are both 912's, but ones a UL and the others a
ULS
and there is 20HP difference between them. Kinda like needing new
paperwork
for going from an O-235 to an O-0320! Same external size, but different
guts
making more HP!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurele Lavigne" <alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL

John, as far as I know you can put whatever floats you want, but I
would
certainly recommend staying away from amphips. Not only will be
pushing
the
legal weight limits, you should keep the U/L as light as possible,
you'll
need all the power you have to perform on floats. As for the 912S, it
sure
is legal and is the same weight as the 912 and if I had the chance I'd
swap
my 912 for a 912S tomorrow. As for the differences between Rebels,
I'll
let
someone else reply such as Bob P. or others. One main difference about
the
U/L model is that your gross weight will be capped at the legal limit
of
just over 1200 lbs now. From my experience on floats, you wouldn't
want
to
be any heavier behind a 912. Just my opinion.

P.S. Are you looking to build or would you be interested in buying???

Aurele
Rebel 063

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:57 PM
Subject: REBEL UL

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Pull back the horses there a minute Aurele!! You CANNOT register a Rebel UL
(in the AULA Catagory )at the new limit of 1232lb at this time, as Darryl
Murphy has still not submitted a new conformance document to Transport
allowing this weight on the AULA model of the Rebel. I confirmed this as
late as Saturday afternoon with my TC contact, as I handed him an envelope
of paperwork for a guys 701 that I made legal after 3 years of flying with a
912S (after he removed his 532 in 2000)!

You're right, amphibs are definitely out unless maybe the Full Lotus are a
LOT< lighter than the MAM 1500's or similar.
I would also talk to Murphy to confirm that you can indeed put the 912S into
the AULA model and have it still meet their conformance certification that
was filed with TC using an 80hp 912UL. I know that Darryl was adimant that
some guys in Quebec couldn't use a Continental C85 in an AULA Rebel and
Transport reverted them to a Basic Ultralight (and the guy has to fly
wearing a helmut and can't take a passenger even with his Private Licence in
his pocket!) I know they are both 912's, but ones a UL and the others a ULS
and there is 20HP difference between them. Kinda like needing new paperwork
for going from an O-235 to an O-0320! Same external size, but different guts
making more HP!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurele Lavigne" <alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL UL

John, as far as I know you can put whatever floats you want, but I would
certainly recommend staying away from amphips. Not only will be pushing
the
legal weight limits, you should keep the U/L as light as possible, you'll
need all the power you have to perform on floats. As for the 912S, it sure
is legal and is the same weight as the 912 and if I had the chance I'd
swap
my 912 for a 912S tomorrow. As for the differences between Rebels, I'll
let
someone else reply such as Bob P. or others. One main difference about the
U/L model is that your gross weight will be capped at the legal limit of
just over 1200 lbs now. From my experience on floats, you wouldn't want to
be any heavier behind a 912. Just my opinion.

P.S. Are you looking to build or would you be interested in buying???

Aurele
Rebel 063

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:57 PM
Subject: REBEL UL

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or straight
floats?
Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp

What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL

Thanks John


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REBEL UL

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by klehman
John
Bobp discussed the differences in the archives a year or three ago.
Lighter wing spar(s), fabric covered wing tips, lighter wheels and gear,
are a few of the things that come to mind.
Ken

rebel@dcsol.com wrote:
Hello,

Can anyone tell me if a Rebel UL 912 can be fitted with amph or straight
floats?
Is it legal to use the 912 100hp rather than the 81hp

What are the differences between the Rebel and the Rebel UL

Thanks John


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