[rebel-builders] Re: Just Get it Flying/Toronto Rebels

[Jesse Jenks]

Hi everyone, I am up visiting your great country. I'm in a Twin Otter Training course at the Downsview airport, spitting distance from the D.H. factory. I wish I would have posted sooner, as I could have come out last weekend to see Jim's plane. I am here a few more days, and wondered if there are any local Rebels? I would love to meet any of you.
Jesse> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:35:52 -0400> Subject: [rebel-builders] Re: Just Get it Flying> From: jcole@rangroup.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Well I couldn't help but think of those words today "just get it flying" as> I contemplated what to do next with my Rebel. I went to Downsview last> weekend and was fortunate or unfortunate enough (depending on your point of> view) to park beside a beautifully restored Waco from Vintage Wings in> Gatineau. The Waco had a beautiful paint job and there was mine - looking a> little incomplete.> > But...... tomorrow is the first anniversary and I've been fortunate enough> to put 166 hours on the Rebel - been to the West coast and Florida - enjoyed> flying with some great people and generally I have trouble staying on the> ground. I still have a list of things to do and I'm not sure if I can be> without - while I get it painted, but I am starting to feel that that is> next. > > Now I raced to get mine finished last year because Bob was orga
nizing his> "last rambl
e
" to the west coast and I really wanted to fly through the> mountains, for the first time, with someone that had done it before.> Well I guess Bob and Anna aren't finished yet!!! (He was just kidding)> > I look forward to meeting other pilots and co-pilots on our ramble to Quebec> City and beyond in just over a month - wow just over a month.> > So - "just get it flying"> > Cheers> Jim Rebel 333 > > > On 6/1/2008 6:34 PM, "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:> > > Ya gotta hold your tongue just right and cue up your best curses. I started> > by temporarily pinning the flaps and ailerons on the wing with overlong 3/16> > bolts without the bushings. Then I worked on each bolt/bushing one at a> > time. I also took some extra time to custom size each bushing length> > (measure, trial and error) and I have absolutely no side to side play. Once> > it's all together don't panic like I did when you discover that your> > ailerons are floppy, allowing a bunch of play. For instance, if you tie
the> > stick down tight

and can still move the aileron up and down 2 or 3 inches> > (or even more from others I've heard about) with your hand, believe it or> > not that is normal for a SR/Moose and it flies just fine.> > > > Mike> > 044SR > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron> > Shannon> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:56 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose aileron & flap install> > > > Hi Ted,> > > > This PITA has been discussed before, at least with respect to the Rebel,> > where it's equally difficult. There was some discussion back when I did> > this, not too long ago -- perhaps Nov.-Dec. You might search the archives on> > "spacers" "cotter pin" or such. I'll see if I can track it down.> > > > I ended up using a small hemostat to carefully put washers on the bolts (you> > may need more than one washer to align the castle nuts properly, of course)> > and a small "cylinder" of masking tape on t
he end of a finger to h
o
ld the> > nut up against the bolt inside the hole. As you may know, on the Rebel, both> > ends of the center bolt have to be manipulated through the little 1" holes.> > For getting the bolts in place, through bushings and all, there's no> > substitute for a helper, preferably someone more patient than you are.> > > > For getting at the nut(s), I found a set of small ignition wrenches was the> > only way, though on the outboard end bolts, where you can get at the bolt> > head outside, I turned that and just help the nut. With the center bolt on> > the Rebel, I tried to just hold the nut there as perpendicular to the end of> > the bolt as possible, until I could pretzel over to get a teeny ignition> > wrench on the bolt head, turning it a half a flat at a time until it got> > started on the threads. Sheesh!> > > > A needle nose pliers is essential for the cotter pin installation, one with> > a 45 deg. nose probably being best. Get the pin started in the hole with the> > needle nose, then
turn the bolt from the

head about 45 deg., and start to> > push the cotter pin's "leaves" apart with a small screwdriver blade, at> > least enough to keep the cotter pin from falling out. (Plan ahead for these> > angles.) Then turn the bolt head the rest of the way to where you can finish> > the cotter pin leave spreading with the screwdriver or whatever works. It's> > good to practice with a nut and bolt outside in fresh air to get the cotter> > pin leaf lengths trimmed just right -- usually different for each leaf if> > you're going over the top of the bolt longitudinally, per AC-43.> > > > A couple of times I dropped a cotter pin inside. I was very luck to fish> > them out before they skidded between flaperon fabric and stringer with a> > small right angle pick.> > > > No doubt, others will chime in here. The funny part is imagining that the> > Rebel was originally sold as being trailerable, with easily removable wings.> > Hilarious. :-) I dread taking them off again for painting someday.> > > > Good luck
..> > > > Ron> > > > > >

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[Jim Cole]

Hi Jesse, where are you staying and for how long? I'm sure we can arrange
something.

Cheers
Jim 333


On 6/2/08 10:17 AM, "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone, I am up visiting your great country. I'm in a Twin Otter Training
course at the Downsview airport, spitting distance from the D.H. factory. I
wish I would have posted sooner, as I could have come out last weekend to see
Jim's plane. I am here a few more days, and wondered if there are any local
Rebels? I would love to meet any of you.
Jesse> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:35:52 -0400> Subject: [rebel-builders] Re:
Just Get it Flying> From: jcole@rangroup.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> >
Well I couldn't help but think of those words today "just get it flying" as> I
contemplated what to do next with my Rebel. I went to Downsview last> weekend
and was fortunate or unfortunate enough (depending on your point of> view) to
park beside a beautifully restored Waco from Vintage Wings in> Gatineau. The
Waco had a beautiful paint job and there was mine - looking a> little
incomplete.> > But...... tomorrow is the first anniversary and I've been
fortunate enough> to put 166 hours on the Rebel - been to the West coast and
Florida - enjoyed> flying with some great people and generally I have trouble
staying on the> ground. I still have a list of things to do and I'm not sure
if I can be> without - while I get it painted, but I am starting to feel that
that is> next. > > Now I raced to get mine finished last year because Bo
b
was organizing his> "last rambl
e
" to the west coast and I really wanted to fly through the> mountains, for the
first time, with someone that had done it before.> Well I guess Bob and Anna
aren't finished yet!!! (He was just kidding)> > I look forward to meeting
other pilots and co-pilots on our ramble to Quebec> City and beyond in just
over a month - wow just over a month.> > So - "just get it flying"> > Cheers>
Jim Rebel 333 > > > On 6/1/2008 6:34 PM, "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
wrote:> > > Ya gotta hold your tongue just right and cue up your best curses.
I started> > by temporarily pinning the flaps and ailerons on the wing with
overlong 3/16> > bolts without the bushings. Then I worked on each
bolt/bushing one at a> > time. I also took some extra time to custom size each
bushing length> > (measure, trial and error) and I have absolutely no side to
side play. Once> > it's all together don't panic like I did when you discover
that your> > ailerons are floppy, allowing a bunch of play. For instance, i
f
you tie the> > stick down tight

and can still move the aileron up and down 2 or 3 inches> > (or even more from
others I've heard about) with your hand, believe it or> > not that is normal
for a SR/Moose and it flies just fine.> > > > Mike> > 044SR > > > >
-----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron> > Shannon> > Sent: Saturday,
May 31, 2008 8:56 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: Re:
[rebel-builders] Moose aileron & flap install> > > > Hi Ted,> > > > This PITA
has been discussed before, at least with respect to the Rebel,> > where it's
equally difficult. There was some discussion back when I did> > this, not too
long ago -- perhaps Nov.-Dec. You might search the archives on> > "spacers"
"cotter pin" or such. I'll see if I can track it down.> > > > I ended up using
a small hemostat to carefully put washers on the bolts (you> > may need more
than one washer to align the castle nuts properly, of course)> > and a small
"cylinder" of masking

tape on the end of a finger to h
o
ld the> > nut up against the bolt inside the hole. As you may know, on the
Rebel, both> > ends of the center bolt have to be manipulated through the
little 1" holes.> > For getting the bolts in place, through bushings and all,
there's no> > substitute for a helper, preferably someone more patient than
you are.> > > > For getting at the nut(s), I found a set of small ignition
wrenches was the> > only way, though on the outboard end bolts, where you can
get at the bolt> > head outside, I turned that and just help the nut. With the
center bolt on> > the Rebel, I tried to just hold the nut there as
perpendicular to the end of> > the bolt as possible, until I could pretzel
over to get a teeny ignition> > wrench on the bolt head, turning it a half a
flat at a time until it got> > started on the threads. Sheesh!> > > > A needle
nose pliers is essential for the cotter pin installation, one with> > a 45
deg. nose probably being best. Get the pin started in the hole with the> >
needle
n
ose, then turn the bolt from the

head about 45 deg., and start to> > push the cotter pin's "leaves" apart with
a small screwdriver blade, at> > least enough to keep the cotter pin from
falling out. (Plan ahead for these> > angles.) Then turn the bolt head the
rest of the way to where you can finish> > the cotter pin leave spreading with
the screwdriver or whatever works. It's> > good to practice with a nut and
bolt outside in fresh air to get the cotter> > pin leaf lengths trimmed just
right -- usually different for each leaf if> > you're going over the top of
the bolt longitudinally, per AC-43.> > > > A couple of times I dropped a
cotter pin inside. I was very luck to fish> > them out before they skidded
between flaperon fabric and stringer with a> > small right angle pick.> > > >
No doubt, others will chime in here. The funny part is imagining that the> >
Rebel was originally sold as being trailerable, with easily removable wings.>

Hilarious. :-) I dread taking them off again for painting someday.> > > >

Good luck.> > > > Ron> > > > > >

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com> wrote:> > >

Must be some trick that several of us didn't figure out when trying to get>
bolts, nuts, washers, spacers and even cotter pins in those WAY TOO SMALL>
access holes in the aileron and flaps. Anyone have any particular tool(s)>
and techniques that they can share? Took several of us 2+ hours to get> >

one> >> aileron installed today-and we didn't even put in cotter pins yet!
There> >> has to be a better way? I'm heading to the tool store tomorrow to
see if> >> an> >> combination of other wrenches/adapters might seem like good
ideas.> >> > >> > >> > >> How can something that at face value seems so easy
take so long <grin>?> >> > >> > >> > >> Tips/Tricks/Ideas anyone?> >> > >> >

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[Jesse Jenks]

Jim,
I guess there won't be time. We are going home thursday afternoon. Was planning to have a day off friday, but we are finishing up early. I'll have to catch you next time. I'll be back next year.
Thanks anyway.
Jesse> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:11:04 -0400> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: Just Get it Flying/Toronto Rebels> From: jcole@rangroup.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Hi Jesse, where are you staying and for how long? I'm sure we can arrange> something.> > Cheers> Jim 333> > > On 6/2/08 10:17 AM, "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > Hi everyone, I am up visiting your great country. I'm in a Twin Otter Training> > course at the Downsview airport, spitting distance from the D.H. factory. I> > wish I would have posted sooner, as I could have come out last weekend to see> > Jim's plane. I am here a few more days, and wondered if there are any local> > Rebels? I would love to meet any of you.> > Jesse> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:35:52 -0400> Subject: [rebel-builders] Re:> > Just Get it Flying> From: jcole@rangroup.com> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> >> > Well I couldn't help but think of those words today "just get it flying" as> I> > contemplated what to do next with my
Rebel. I went to Downsv
i
ew last> weekend> > and was fortunate or unfortunate enough (depending on your point of> view) to> > park beside a beautifully restored Waco from Vintage Wings in> Gatineau. The> > Waco had a beautiful paint job and there was mine - looking a> little> > incomplete.> > But...... tomorrow is the first anniversary and I've been> > fortunate enough> to put 166 hours on the Rebel - been to the West coast and> > Florida - enjoyed> flying with some great people and generally I have trouble> > staying on the> ground. I still have a list of things to do and I'm not sure> > if I can be> without - while I get it painted, but I am starting to feel that> > that is> next. > > Now I raced to get mine finished last year because Bo> > b> > was organizing his> "last rambl> > e> > " to the west coast and I really wanted to fly through the> mountains, for the> > first time, with someone that had done it before.> Well I guess Bob and Anna> > aren't finished yet!!! (He was just kidding)> > I look forward to
meeting> > other pilot
s
and co-pilots on our ramble to Quebec> City and beyond in just> > over a month - wow just over a month.> > So - "just get it flying"> > Cheers>> > Jim Rebel 333 > > > On 6/1/2008 6:34 PM, "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>> > wrote:> > > Ya gotta hold your tongue just right and cue up your best curses.> > I started> > by temporarily pinning the flaps and ailerons on the wing with> > overlong 3/16> > bolts without the bushings. Then I worked on each> > bolt/bushing one at a> > time. I also took some extra time to custom size each> > bushing length> > (measure, trial and error) and I have absolutely no side to> > side play. Once> > it's all together don't panic like I did when you discover> > that your> > ailerons are floppy, allowing a bunch of play. For instance, i> > f> > you tie the> > stick down tight> > > > and can still move the aileron up and down 2 or 3 inches> > (or even more from> > others I've heard about) with your hand, believe it or> > not that is normal> > for a SR/Moose
and it flies just fine.

Mike> > 044SR > > > >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com> > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron> > Shannon> > Sent: Saturday,> > May 31, 2008 8:56 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: Re:> > [rebel-builders] Moose aileron & flap install> > > > Hi Ted,> > > > This PITA> > has been discussed before, at least with respect to the Rebel,> > where it's> > equally difficult. There was some discussion back when I did> > this, not too> > long ago -- perhaps Nov.-Dec. You might search the archives on> > "spacers"> > "cotter pin" or such. I'll see if I can track it down.> > > > I ended up using> > a small hemostat to carefully put washers on the bolts (you> > may need more> > than one washer to align the castle nuts properly, of course)> > and a small> > "cylinder" of masking> > > > tape on the end of a finger to h> > o> > ld the> > nut up against the bolt inside the hole. As you may know, on the> > Rebel, both> > ends of the center bolt have t

o be manipulated throug
h
the> > little 1" holes.> > For getting the bolts in place, through bushings and all,> > there's no> > substitute for a helper, preferably someone more patient than> > you are.> > > > For getting at the nut(s), I found a set of small ignition> > wrenches was the> > only way, though on the outboard end bolts, where you can> > get at the bolt> > head outside, I turned that and just help the nut. With the> > center bolt on> > the Rebel, I tried to just hold the nut there as> > perpendicular to the end of> > the bolt as possible, until I could pretzel> > over to get a teeny ignition> > wrench on the bolt head, turning it a half a> > flat at a time until it got> > started on the threads. Sheesh!> > > > A needle> > nose pliers is essential for the cotter pin installation, one with> > a 45> > deg. nose probably being best. Get the pin started in the hole with the> >> > needle > > n> > ose, then turn the bolt from the> > > > head about 45 deg., and start to> > push the cotter pin's "leaves" ap
art with> > a small scr
e
wdriver blade, at> > least enough to keep the cotter pin from> > falling out. (Plan ahead for these> > angles.) Then turn the bolt head the> > rest of the way to where you can finish> > the cotter pin leave spreading with> > the screwdriver or whatever works. It's> > good to practice with a nut and> > bolt outside in fresh air to get the cotter> > pin leaf lengths trimmed just> > right -- usually different for each leaf if> > you're going over the top of> > the bolt longitudinally, per AC-43.> > > > A couple of times I dropped a> > cotter pin inside. I was very luck to fish> > them out before they skidded> > between flaperon fabric and stringer with a> > small right angle pick.> > > >> > No doubt, others will chime in here. The funny part is imagining that the> >> > Rebel was originally sold as being trailerable, with easily removable wings.>> > > Hilarious. :-) I dread taking them off again for painting someday.> > > >> > > > Good luck.> > > > Ron> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, May 31, 200
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