potential builders first look at a Rebel
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Paul, I live right here in Midland/Penetanguishene, Ontario were the
Northstar is manufactured. Bruce Tinney owns the "prototype" Northstar (with
wood wings) shown in all the brochures and he lives on a private strip 1
mile from mine. Also, Alan King is a local friend of mine that has a
beautiful Northstar completed and flying. He has about $85,000 to $90,000
Cdn in parts in his, compared to a Similar Rebel set up would be about
$65,000 Cdn. Difference being the kit cost and fabric supplies. Also Morgan
Williams (Custom Flight) does not supply as many parts with a "complete" kit
compared to Murphy. No wheels, tires, etc with the Northstar. Also according
to my friend Alan, even though the fuselage is welded up all ready for you,
etc. he took about 2 1/2 times as long to build his Northstar, compared to
my FIRST Rebel (and Alan is very mechanically inclined). If you go ahead
with the Northstar insure that you can put your deposit in Trust to a lawyer
and pick up the COMPLETE kit yourself (history states that you will wait for
parts for ever, if you don't get them at the start), prior to paying the
balance.
As for performance comparisons, I can hang on my propellor (with my 150 H.P.
Rebel) right beside the Northstar and hover along with them. I climb at
probably 400 to 500 feet per minute faster and Cruise at least 10 MPH
faster. The Rebel also has MUCH more cargo capacity (especially volume).
Both are great aircraft, but the Rebel DOES outperform the Northstar or the
new "2000" $140,000 U.S (with any of the good options about $175,000 U.S.) -
180 H.P. Super Cub from Cub Crafters for that matter!
I did a Trumpeter Swan count last Thursday, flying around with the airspeed
between 40MPH and ZERO, for 4 hours, at elevations from about 100 agl to 600
agl (don't repeat those to the authorities). Great ball centered, rudder and
throttle practice!!! It was also 29 C (37 C with Humidex) to boot at the
time! I would have loved the Northstars TANDEM seat arrangement for it, as
it would have saved alot of circling when I would see something on my side
and have to circle around so the woman from the Swan Program could see it on
her side! That is one PLUS for the Northstar, but then again there is that
fabric to look after and for someone that put counter balanced aluminum
flaperons on his Rebel, fabric obviously doesn't appeal to me! MAYBE it does
to you though!
Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca
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From: "Paul Irvine" <pi@paclink.net>
To: <johnfhart@earthlink.net>
Cc: "Murphy Rebel Digest" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: potential builders first look at a Rebel
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Paul, I live right here in Midland/Penetanguishene, Ontario were the
Northstar is manufactured. Bruce Tinney owns the "prototype" Northstar (with
wood wings) shown in all the brochures and he lives on a private strip 1
mile from mine. Also, Alan King is a local friend of mine that has a
beautiful Northstar completed and flying. He has about $85,000 to $90,000
Cdn in parts in his, compared to a Similar Rebel set up would be about
$65,000 Cdn. Difference being the kit cost and fabric supplies. Also Morgan
Williams (Custom Flight) does not supply as many parts with a "complete" kit
compared to Murphy. No wheels, tires, etc with the Northstar. Also according
to my friend Alan, even though the fuselage is welded up all ready for you,
etc. he took about 2 1/2 times as long to build his Northstar, compared to
my FIRST Rebel (and Alan is very mechanically inclined). If you go ahead
with the Northstar insure that you can put your deposit in Trust to a lawyer
and pick up the COMPLETE kit yourself (history states that you will wait for
parts for ever, if you don't get them at the start), prior to paying the
balance.
As for performance comparisons, I can hang on my propellor (with my 150 H.P.
Rebel) right beside the Northstar and hover along with them. I climb at
probably 400 to 500 feet per minute faster and Cruise at least 10 MPH
faster. The Rebel also has MUCH more cargo capacity (especially volume).
Both are great aircraft, but the Rebel DOES outperform the Northstar or the
new "2000" $140,000 U.S (with any of the good options about $175,000 U.S.) -
180 H.P. Super Cub from Cub Crafters for that matter!
I did a Trumpeter Swan count last Thursday, flying around with the airspeed
between 40MPH and ZERO, for 4 hours, at elevations from about 100 agl to 600
agl (don't repeat those to the authorities). Great ball centered, rudder and
throttle practice!!! It was also 29 C (37 C with Humidex) to boot at the
time! I would have loved the Northstars TANDEM seat arrangement for it, as
it would have saved alot of circling when I would see something on my side
and have to circle around so the woman from the Swan Program could see it on
her side! That is one PLUS for the Northstar, but then again there is that
fabric to look after and for someone that put counter balanced aluminum
flaperons on his Rebel, fabric obviously doesn't appeal to me! MAYBE it does
to you though!
Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Irvine" <pi@paclink.net>
To: <johnfhart@earthlink.net>
Cc: "Murphy Rebel Digest" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: potential builders first look at a Rebel
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honestother kit I'm considering now is the Northstar Supercub clone (even though
it would cost twice as much as the Rebel to build) From all I've heard and
read I think that it is possible to build a basic 150hp Rebel that can
approach, match or even exceed the performance of a Supercub in certain
aspects.
The only thing I don't particularly like about the Rebel is the visibility
and I think I really need to get a flight in one before I can make an
inassessment of it. It's certainly not anywhere near as good as a Supercub
setthat respect. The cockpit does have a cozy feeling to it though.
Anyway, I've rambled on long enough for now. When I get some arrangement
forup with Bill I'll contact you and maybe we can all hook up. It won't be
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