[rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

[skytrucks]

Mike;
?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some time in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000 invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website: www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would consider trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks,
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Larry Luckinbill
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????







-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit



Hi All,
I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I saw it
yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh, is there
anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i travel all
over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed aircraft. I
am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at the kit i
saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are things i
saw that concern me.

Best,
Mike
mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
920-376-0638



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[mdunlop1910]

Larry,
looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the top
end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for this
engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where is the
airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be able to
do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???




On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Mike;
-> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some time
in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would consider
trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks,
-> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Larry
Luckinbill
-> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
->
-> Hi All,
-> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I saw it
-> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh, is there
-> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i travel
all
-> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed aircraft.
I
-> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at the
kit i
-> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
things i
-> saw that concern me.
->
-> Best,
-> Mike
-> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> 920-376-0638
->
->
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[Mike Davis]

From the EAA website...

Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?

FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
conduct yourself.

What is a Condition Inspection?
A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
similar):

No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This inspection
will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
person performing the inspection.

See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.

Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the Condition
Inspection?
The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.

I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection, any
ideas where to find one?
The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting to
perform his condition inspection.


----- Original Message -----
From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Larry,
looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the top
end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for this
engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where is
the
airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
able to
do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???




On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Mike;
-> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
time
in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would consider
trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks,
-> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Larry
Luckinbill
-> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
->
-> Hi All,
-> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I saw
it
-> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
is there
-> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
travel
all
-> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed aircraft.
I
-> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at the
kit i
-> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
things i
-> saw that concern me.
->
-> Best,
-> Mike
-> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> 920-376-0638
->
->
->
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[mdunlop1910]

Thanks for the info Mike! So are all SR 2500 certified and capable of 3000 lbs
from the factory? Also thank you for the info on the maintenance




On 5/25/2008 9:08 AM, mike.davis@dcsol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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[robert]

Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a "homebuit" experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


From the EAA website...

Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?

FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
conduct yourself.

What is a Condition Inspection?
A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
similar):

No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This inspection
will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
person performing the inspection.

See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.

Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the Condition
Inspection?
The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.

I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection, any
ideas where to find one?
The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting to
perform his condition inspection.


----- Original Message -----
From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Larry,
looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the top
end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for this
engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where is
the
airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
able to
do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???




On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Mike;
-> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
time
in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would consider
trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks,
-> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Larry
Luckinbill
-> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
->
-> Hi All,
-> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I saw
it
-> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
is there
-> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
travel
all
-> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed aircraft.
I
-> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at the
kit i
-> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
things i
-> saw that concern me.
->
-> Best,
-> Mike
-> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> 920-376-0638
->
->
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[mdunlop1910]

Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a "homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
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[robert]

Imho ... Larry's SR is verwell built. Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:28:04
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Thanks for the info Mike! So are all SR 2500 certified and capable of 3000 lbs
from the factory? Also thank you for the info on the maintenance




On 5/25/2008 9:08 AM, mike.davis@dcsol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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[robert]

Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51 percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a "homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about $100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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[mdunlop1910]

The SR community is amazing with all the support I have gotten. This website
and all thoughs that run,support and spend time helping a newbee like be is
greatly appreiciated. Thanks for the heads up on the 51 percent rule. He
basicly has a worthless airplane until it is fininshed would you agree.

I'm still interested in finding a completed flying SR or a kit that is less than 51
percent. perferabley looking for a kit if anyone can help????????



On 5/25/2008 10:09 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run
into "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor
myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good
indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
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[robert]

Yep ... You've got the picture ... not a pretty one for some. If you do purchase a Murphy kit (or any other type kit) from someone other then Murphy, get a receipt that says the kit is still in the box. That will help. Buying one that has completed its flight tesst phase ... is easy ... Just transfer the ownership, and find an AP to work with once a year ... and fly it. Cheers, Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:19:47
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


The SR community is amazing with all the support I have gotten. This website
and all thoughs that run,support and spend time helping a newbee like be is
greatly appreiciated. Thanks for the heads up on the 51 percent rule. He
basicly has a worthless airplane until it is fininshed would you agree.

I'm still interested in finding a completed flying SR or a kit that is less than 51
percent. perferabley looking for a kit if anyone can help????????



On 5/25/2008 10:09 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run
into "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor
myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good
indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
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[robert]

Want to add .. There is a very real market for "almost done kits". If you can find a trashed same model airplane, that good deal "almost done" airplane can provide a path for that certified "data plate" to fly once again ... Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: robert@montanasky.us

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:34:27
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Yep ... You've got the picture ... not a pretty one for some. If you do purchase a Murphy kit (or any other type kit) from someone other then Murphy, get a receipt that says the kit is still in the box. That will help. Buying one that has completed its flight tesst phase ... is easy ... Just transfer the ownership, and find an AP to work with once a year ... and fly it. Cheers, Bob 612e
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:19:47
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


The SR community is amazing with all the support I have gotten. This website
and all thoughs that run,support and spend time helping a newbee like be is
greatly appreiciated. Thanks for the heads up on the 51 percent rule. He
basicly has a worthless airplane until it is fininshed would you agree.

I'm still interested in finding a completed flying SR or a kit that is less than 51
percent. perferabley looking for a kit if anyone can help????????



On 5/25/2008 10:09 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run
into "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor
myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good
indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
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[Mike Davis]

I'm surprised to hear this... as the 51% has no bearing on granting an
experimental certificate... only on granting a repairman's certificate to
the builder. When I registered my last experimental I provided no
documentation what so ever indicating what percentage of the job I had
completed, and on the application for the special airworthiness certificate
indicated that it was built from assorted parts and pieces, as I had no bill
of sale from the manufacturer. Only after the aircraft was registered did I
go back and apply for my repairman's certificate, at which time I filled out
a worksheet to show that I had completed 51% or more of the construction...
this was necessary as the aircraft was not on the FAA's 51% list... that
list of kits that has already been found to meet the requirement.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
"homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although
being a good indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no
bearing on the 51 percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a
"homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other
FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so
i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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[Ron Shannon]

Mike,

I'm sure that's not actually correct. Just because you weren't explicitly
asked, doesn't mean it isn't part of the requirement for an amateur built
experimental airworthiness certificate. In your application paperwork to the
FAA, I'm sure you did represent that the airplane was qualified as an
amateur built experimental. That representation you make by signing the
application implies compliance with the regulatory requirement that the
"major portion" of amateur built experimentals must be amateur built. As
used in the regs, "major portion" has been interpreted to mean 51% of the
fabrication and/or assembly of the components and systems of the aircraft,
although there's been a lot of wiggle and waggle over the years as to what
51% means.

You probably weren't asked because A) the inspector thought it was obvious
(or clear enough) that non-commercial builders had built the project, and/or
B) the design was one of those that have been pre-approved as meeting the
51% requirement, as are all Murphy kits.

Ron


On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:

I'm surprised to hear this... as the 51% has no bearing on granting an
experimental certificate... only on granting a repairman's certificate to
the builder. When I registered my last experimental I provided no
documentation what so ever indicating what percentage of the job I had
completed, and on the application for the special airworthiness certificate
indicated that it was built from assorted parts and pieces, as I had no
bill
of sale from the manufacturer. Only after the aircraft was registered did
I
go back and apply for my repairman's certificate, at which time I filled
out
a worksheet to show that I had completed 51% or more of the construction...
this was necessary as the aircraft was not on the FAA's 51% list... that
list of kits that has already been found to meet the requirement.

Mike

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[Ron Shannon]

You're correct that 51% _is_ also a requirement for an individual
repairman's certificate and may become an issue when more than one builder
has worked on the project, as previously discussed in this thread. For the
A/C, it's only required that "the major portion" (51%, as applied) be done
by amateurs, which may be plural.

Ron


On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:

Mike,

I'm sure that's not actually correct. Just because you weren't explicitly
asked, doesn't mean it isn't part of the requirement for an amateur built
experimental airworthiness certificate. In your application paperwork to the
FAA, I'm sure you did represent that the airplane was qualified as an
amateur built experimental. That representation you make by signing the
application implies compliance with the regulatory requirement that the
"major portion" of amateur built experimentals must be amateur built. As
used in the regs, "major portion" has been interpreted to mean 51% of the
fabrication and/or assembly of the components and systems of the aircraft,
although there's been a lot of wiggle and waggle over the years as to what
51% means.

You probably weren't asked because A) the inspector thought it was obvious
(or clear enough) that non-commercial builders had built the project, and/or
B) the design was one of those that have been pre-approved as meeting the
51% requirement, as are all Murphy kits.

Ron



On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:

I'm surprised to hear this... as the 51% has no bearing on granting an
experimental certificate... only on granting a repairman's certificate to
the builder. When I registered my last experimental I provided no
documentation what so ever indicating what percentage of the job I had
completed, and on the application for the special airworthiness
certificate
indicated that it was built from assorted parts and pieces, as I had no
bill
of sale from the manufacturer. Only after the aircraft was registered did
I
go back and apply for my repairman's certificate, at which time I filled
out
a worksheet to show that I had completed 51% or more of the
construction...
this was necessary as the aircraft was not on the FAA's 51% list... that
list of kits that has already been found to meet the requirement.

Mike

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[robert]

Hi Mike ... thanks for chiming in. I'm on the road ... don't have access to the FARs .. I know both you and Ted are right about the
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:19:40
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


I'm surprised to hear this... as the 51% has no bearing on granting an
experimental certificate... only on granting a repairman's certificate to
the builder. When I registered my last experimental I provided no
documentation what so ever indicating what percentage of the job I had
completed, and on the application for the special airworthiness certificate
indicated that it was built from assorted parts and pieces, as I had no bill
of sale from the manufacturer. Only after the aircraft was registered did I
go back and apply for my repairman's certificate, at which time I filled out
a worksheet to show that I had completed 51% or more of the construction...
this was necessary as the aircraft was not on the FAA's 51% list... that
list of kits that has already been found to meet the requirement.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
"homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although
being a good indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no
bearing on the 51 percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a
"homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other
FAA-approved
-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so
i
-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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