[rebel-builders] New engine is flying

Ron Shannon · Post by **Ron Shannon** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Congrats, Walter. 1800 FPM on amphibs sounds super!

Ron

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Craig Walls · Post by **Craig Walls** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Well, I am jealous. Our time will come. Congrats craig

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Subject: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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jean.poirier · Post by **jean.poirier** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Happy for you!

Jean
Rebel 747R

On Sun 05/ 4/08 17:01 , Walter Klatt Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca sent:

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way

more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders

and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too
fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be

too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.

Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels

with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The
O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my

elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and

climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about
350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up

to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least

it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Garry · Post by **Garry** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Congrats Walter. Nice to be back in the air - especially with all those
horseys. Looking forward to more reports on what this does for you in
the higher lakes.

Garry

Walter Klatt wrote:

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Nigel Smith · Post by **Nigel Smith** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Great news Walter... enjoy.
Just finished the second wing here. Still plodding away :-)
Nig
745E

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Subject: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Drew Dalgleish · Post by **Drew Dalgleish** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Good stuff Walter sounds like you're seeing about the same difference in
performance as I did going from the 0-290 to the 0-320. Lotsa fun EH.
Drew

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robert · Post by **robert** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

point the nose up and climb (hahaha)
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Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:01:33
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Subject: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Garry · Post by **Garry** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Congratulations Walter - looking forward to interesting reports from the
far off high places after this.

Garry

Walter Klatt wrote:

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Walter Klatt · Post by **Walter Klatt** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

As I am breaking in my new engine, I am running it at full rich mixture, and
it is really putting through the fuel as I am trying to use enough power to
properly seat the rings. I have the extra rich 10-4164-1 version of the
O-360 carb so it is wasting about 3 gph in cruise by not leaning.

With fuel prices the way they are, I would like to start leaning a bit soon.
How many hours before I can lean normally? I have the ECI nickel carbide
cylinders (new high flow tapered fin exp cylinders) which are supposed to
break in very quickly.

Also, I mentioned before that my windows at the front start opening up at
higher speeds. Basically, I am restricted to 130 mph top speed now, as I can
pretty well stick a finger through the crack at that speed, and am afraid
something will pop if I go any faster.

I have the standard Murphy window with the latch in the middle, not near the
front as later builders have done. I would like to put in some kind of quick
to install latch/pin in the front to lock the window in place there. The key
phrase here is quick/simple to install. I am thinking of some kind of pin
that I can drop through the bottom of the fuse rib flange into the window
square frame. Any ideas?

It's not that I intend to fly this plane at that speed regularly, but would
like to run it a little harder for break-in, and also see just how fast this
thing will go with this engine. At 120 mph, it is just running 65% right
now.

Just to get you guys drooling a little more, thought I would mention my last
trip to the lake the other day. At take-off I was lightly loaded with fuel
at 1580 pounds, and there was only a very slight headwind on the water. As I
gave it full power, the nose/bows came up very quickly, and I was already
giving it full forward stick at about the same time as the engine spooled up
to full power. Then it immediately hopped up on the step, and it did a few
little bounces as I was trying to find the right attitude for the sweet
spot, but before I did, it was airborne. That was definitely the fastest
take-off I have ever done.

If you guys remember, too, when I installed my VGs, I had to modify my
take-off to start with neutral flaps. Not anymore, as it has enough power
now, to overcome the extra drag/lift of these VGs right from the start of
the take-off.

There is no question, this engine has a way more power than my old 320. And
that one was definitely no slouch as 320's go either. Really looking forward
to see what it does at the high altitude lakes this summer. BTW, for those
who are wondering, am carefully checking my tail after every flight.

Walter

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Klatt
Sent: May 4, 2008 5:02 PM
To: Rebel-Builders
Subject: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

Finally got my new O-360 engine flying in the Rebel today. Definitely way
more power, no question about that. Am trying to break in the new cylinders
and having trouble getting up to 22 MAP or 65% power without going too fast.
My windows start opening up a bit at the front at 125 mph. My prop might be
too fine, as I have to run about 2500 rpm to get 22 MAP.

Take off and climb is good though. Was seeing 1800 fpm on initial climb.
Basically, it now performs the same on the ampibs as it used to on wheels
with the O-320.

Really puts through the fuel though, with full power, at 18.5 gph. The O-320
only did 13 WOT.

Handling and c of g exactly same as before. Did not have to change my
elevator trim. Did notice having to use more right rudder on take-off and
climb though.

Cooling is good, too, so very happy about that. Rear cylinders ran about 350
or less, Had to tape off the top of the oil cooler to get the oil temps up
to 185 which is the highest I saw today. OAT at the lake today was 19 C.

Got a few adjustments to make and some finishing on the cowl, but at least
it is flying again. So I am a happy camper today.

Walter

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Drew Dalgleish · Post by **Drew Dalgleish** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

At 07:35 AM 5/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:

As I am breaking in my new engine, I am running it at full rich mixture, and
it is really putting through the fuel as I am trying to use enough power to
properly seat the rings. I have the extra rich 10-4164-1 version of the
O-360 carb so it is wasting about 3 gph in cruise by not leaning.

With fuel prices the way they are, I would like to start leaning a bit soon.
How many hours before I can lean normally? I have the ECI nickel carbide
cylinders (new high flow tapered fin exp cylinders) which are supposed to
break in very quickly.

Also, I mentioned before that my windows at the front start opening up at
higher speeds. Basically, I am restricted to 130 mph top speed now, as I can
pretty well stick a finger through the crack at that speed, and am afraid
something will pop if I go any faster.

I have the standard Murphy window with the latch in the middle, not near the
front as later builders have done. I would like to put in some kind of quick
to install latch/pin in the front to lock the window in place there. The key
phrase here is quick/simple to install. I am thinking of some kind of pin
that I can drop through the bottom of the fuse rib flange into the window
square frame. Any ideas?

Hi Walter I started leaning my new engine after only a couple hours of
running it as hard as I could. My engine broke in well and is running
great. My passenger window sucks open too in the winter I just run a piece
of duct tape up the front and halfway across the top.
Drew

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Walter Klatt · Post by **Walter Klatt** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Thanks Drew. Weather was too crappy to fly today, so fixed up something that
should do the trick for me to keep the front of the windows tight. I riveted
a piece of velcro to the top frame near the corner, to attach up and around
the fuse flange. Definitely holds it solid, so will give that a try. Even
coils up tightly with Velcro back at the window, too, so it won't flap
around loosely when not in use.

Walter

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Sent: May 11, 2008 8:16 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

At 07:35 AM 5/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:

As I am breaking in my new engine, I am running it at full rich mixture,

and

it is really putting through the fuel as I am trying to use enough power to
properly seat the rings. I have the extra rich 10-4164-1 version of the
O-360 carb so it is wasting about 3 gph in cruise by not leaning.

With fuel prices the way they are, I would like to start leaning a bit

soon.

How many hours before I can lean normally? I have the ECI nickel carbide
cylinders (new high flow tapered fin exp cylinders) which are supposed to
break in very quickly.

Also, I mentioned before that my windows at the front start opening up at
higher speeds. Basically, I am restricted to 130 mph top speed now, as I

can

pretty well stick a finger through the crack at that speed, and am afraid
something will pop if I go any faster.

I have the standard Murphy window with the latch in the middle, not near

the

front as later builders have done. I would like to put in some kind of

quick

to install latch/pin in the front to lock the window in place there. The

key

phrase here is quick/simple to install. I am thinking of some kind of pin
that I can drop through the bottom of the fuse rib flange into the window
square frame. Any ideas?

Hi Walter I started leaning my new engine after only a couple hours of
running it as hard as I could. My engine broke in well and is running
great. My passenger window sucks open too in the winter I just run a piece
of duct tape up the front and halfway across the top.
Drew

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bransom · Post by **bransom** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Walter
I thought ECI advises now that there is no need for the high power ring
seating with their cylinders. I would find it hard not to do the more
traditional high power time myself, but what have you heard?
-Ben/ 496R

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Dalgleish
Sent: May 11, 2008 8:16 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

At 07:35 AM 5/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:
As I am breaking in my new engine, I am running it at full rich mixture,
and
it is really putting through the fuel as I am trying to use enough power to
properly seat the rings. I have the extra rich 10-4164-1 version of the
O-360 carb so it is wasting about 3 gph in cruise by not leaning.

With fuel prices the way they are, I would like to start leaning a bit
soon.
How many hours before I can lean normally? I have the ECI nickel carbide
cylinders (new high flow tapered fin exp cylinders) which are supposed to
break in very quickly.

Also, I mentioned before that my windows at the front start opening up at
higher speeds. Basically, I am restricted to 130 mph top speed now, as I
can
pretty well stick a finger through the crack at that speed, and am afraid
something will pop if I go any faster.

I have the standard Murphy window with the latch in the middle, not near
the
front as later builders have done. I would like to put in some kind of
quick
to install latch/pin in the front to lock the window in place there. The
key
phrase here is quick/simple to install. I am thinking of some kind of pin
that I can drop through the bottom of the fuse rib flange into the window
square frame. Any ideas?
Hi Walter I started leaning my new engine after only a couple hours of
running it as hard as I could. My engine broke in well and is running
great. My passenger window sucks open too in the winter I just run a piece
of duct tape up the front and halfway across the top.
Drew

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WALTER KLATT · Post by **WALTER KLATT** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

No, I have not heard that. Where would I find that information. The break-in instructions that they send out and what I saw on their website are pretty general to cover all their types of cylinders.

Walter

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From: bransom@dcsol.com
Date: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:27 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Walter
I thought ECI advises now that there is no need for the high
power ring
seating with their cylinders. I would find it hard
not to do the more
traditional high power time myself, but what have you heard?
-Ben/ 496R

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Behalf Of Drew
Dalgleish
Sent: May 11, 2008 8:16 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

At 07:35 AM 5/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:
As I am breaking in my new engine, I am running it at full
rich mixture,
and
it is really putting through the fuel as I am trying to use
enough power to
properly seat the rings. I have the extra rich 10-4164-1
version of the
O-360 carb so it is wasting about 3 gph in cruise by not leaning.

With fuel prices the way they are, I would like to start
leaning a bit
soon.
How many hours before I can lean normally? I have the ECI
nickel carbide
cylinders (new high flow tapered fin exp cylinders) which are
supposed to
break in very quickly.

Also, I mentioned before that my windows at the front start
opening up at
higher speeds. Basically, I am restricted to 130 mph top
speed now, as I
can
pretty well stick a finger through the crack at that speed,
and am afraid
something will pop if I go any faster.

I have the standard Murphy window with the latch in the
middle, not near
the
front as later builders have done. I would like to put in
some kind of
quick
to install latch/pin in the front to lock the window in place
there. The
key
phrase here is quick/simple to install. I am thinking of some
kind of pin
that I can drop through the bottom of the fuse rib flange
into the window
square frame. Any ideas?
Hi Walter I started leaning my new engine after only a couple
hours of
running it as hard as I could. My engine broke in well and is
running> great. My passenger window sucks open too in the winter
I just run a piece
of duct tape up the front and halfway across the top.
Drew

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bransom · Post by **bransom** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Walter,
I've heard it from a few sources that I regard as pretty solid, but now I
kind of forget where. IIRC, the change came a couple years ago. I just
skimmed ECI's web site and run-in vs break-in PDF
(http://www.eci2fly.com/pdf/BreakInInstructions.pdf), which is probably
what you have. I'll ask further on two of my sources, but yeah, getting it
pretty straight from ECI or their big-time builders seems the only
comfortable way to go.
-Ben

No, I have not heard that. Where would I find that information. The

break-in instructions that they send out and what I saw on their website
are pretty general to cover all their types of cylinders.

Walter

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From: bransom@dcsol.com
Date: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:27 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Walter
I thought ECI advises now that there is no need for the high
power ring
seating with their cylinders. I would find it hard
not to do the more
traditional high power time myself, but what have you heard?
-Ben/ 496R

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of Drew
Dalgleish
Sent: May 11, 2008 8:16 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] New engine is flying

At 07:35 AM 5/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:
rich mixture,
and
enough power to
version of the
leaning a bit
soon.
nickel carbide
supposed to
opening up at
speed now, as I
can
and am afraid
middle, not near
the
some kind of
quick
there. The
key
kind of pin
into the window
Hi Walter I started leaning my new engine after only a couple
hours of
running it as hard as I could. My engine broke in well and is
running> great. My passenger window sucks open too in the winter
I just run a piece
of duct tape up the front and halfway across the top.
Drew

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JBCressman · Post by **JBCressman** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Hi There--My Rebel (331) has one pin at the front of each window installed
exactly as you suggested
and readily solved the window opening in cruise problem. Bob Cressman

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