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Many have used the ones from Harbor Freight. Much less expensive. See

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisear ... VET++TOOLS

Joe Ronco 279R

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Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:49 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with them?

Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but at

least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R






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I think there are better ones out there but I am happy with the
pneumatic squeezer from Spruce. Much faster than manual. 119R would
never be flying and the floats would be impossible for me without such a
tool.
Ken

Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with them?
Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but at
least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R

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Yep.. buy one now.. don't be stubborn (like ME) and wait 'till you've done
over a 1/4 million rivets!! Carpal Tunnel is no fun... no fun indeed.

The pistol grip style seems to be the nicest for me... just wish I hadn't
waited 13 years to try one out !!!


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From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

I think there are better ones out there but I am happy with the
pneumatic squeezer from Spruce. Much faster than manual. 119R would
never be flying and the floats would be impossible for me without such a
tool.
Ken

Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the
fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe
there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help?
It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show
different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with
them?
Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but
at
least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R

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Hello

I bought one from "The Yards" on internet for +/- $24.95! Very very good investment!

Jean
Rebel 747R

On Fri 04/25/08 13:08 , Ken klehman@albedo.net sent:

I think there are better ones out there but I am happy with the

pneumatic squeezer from Spruce. Much faster than manual. 119R would

never be flying and the floats would be impossible for me without such a

tool.

Ken



Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will

be starting the fuselage.

After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting

to develop a "trigger

finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard

cleco pliers; maybe there

is a better more ergonomically designed cleco

pliers that would help? It's

got to the point where I going to have to give it

some rest. I have been

looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS

and Avery show different

types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had

any experience with them?

Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be

little clumsy and slow but at

least I could keep working. Would appreciate any

help.

Charlie 802R

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Hi Charlie,
We have a pneumatic one from either Avery or Brown. It's black and looks
like a modified pistol. It works okay. It's not as fast as taking them out
by hand. I haven't tried to use it to put clecos in. It's a little
unwieldy when you need to coax them out a little. Definitely give your hand
a break, though. Craig

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:49 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with them?

Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but at

least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R






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Thanks for the info

Having built three other metal airplanes before the Rebel I have obviously
overlooked at least two important things. One I forgot to take in to account
that there are about "twice as many pull rivets in the Rebel" as there are
regular rivets in other aircraft. And the second thing is "My hands and
fingers have gotten a lot older". Thanks to all for the response on the
pneumatic cleco installer. I plan to order one Monday.

Charlie 802R



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the
fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show
different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with
them?
Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but
at
least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R






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Look at http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/2,425.html
It is different than mine (mine is pistol grip) and more expensive but still
a real good purchase!

Jean
Rebel 747R

Jean Poirier
Pr

I have one I got several years ago at Oshkosh. I believe it was from US
Tool. It works well for both removing and installing clecos.
http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=w ... WCE=94053s
Dale

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From: "Joe Ronco" <joe@halzel.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Many have used the ones from Harbor Freight. Much less expensive. See

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisear ... VET++TOOLS

Joe Ronco 279R

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:49 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the
fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show
different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with
them?

Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but
at

least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R






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I have the straight version Jean references below, it takes some getting
used to and I still find it a little clumsy. The trigger safety could
be a better design and the trigger can pinch. If I was buying again I'd
go for the pistol grip.

John...

Jean Poirier wrote:
[quote]Look at http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/2,425.html
It is different than mine (mine is pistol grip) and more expensive but still
a real good purchase!

Jean
Rebel 747R

Jean Poirier
Pr

I bought the one from ACS a few years ago - thinking it may save my hand.
And it did work, but certainly not as well as I would have liked, plus a bit
slower and more restrictive due to the air hose. I finally went back to the
old hand tool. Putting some rubber cushion grips (such as pieces of soft
hose) on the handles helped some. Tried to get my wife to do some of the
cleco work - but the air tool was a better (and more cooperative) choice.

Charlie Starr N96CS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Cleco instal tools

Hello All

I am just about to finish my second wing and will be starting the
fuselage.
After all the clecoing and riveting I am starting to develop a "trigger
finger" on my right hand. I use the old standard cleco pliers; maybe there
is a better more ergonomically designed cleco pliers that would help? It's
got to the point where I going to have to give it some rest. I have been
looking at pneumatic cleco installation tools. ACS and Avery show
different
types in their catalogs. Has anybody out there had any experience with
them?
Do they in fact work? Looks like they could be little clumsy and slow but
at
least I could keep working. Would appreciate any help.

Charlie 802R






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