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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Hi Jesse !

You'll likely be happier with at least 2 latches - I think Wayne used
3 on his. Center handle, with pins to front, back, & bottom, for a
good seal - extra effort because of the cut-out at the lower front to
clear the strut.

There is at least one set - possibly 2 - of CAD drawings for gull doors
around - might be in the Files area.... or ask if someone can send them.

Personally, I would NOT use gull wing doors, especially if you are
going on floats - they are almost impossible to open if you are
upside-down in the water, with all that water pressure on them !!

The regular Rebel doors work fine, and are better for sailing --
and I can dive out that open window anytime !!!

That mod - like most - can add 6 months to your build time....
Like I always say - "Just GET IT FLYING !!!" You can always
change the doors later - IF you still want to ... ;-) :-)--

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On Sunday 17 February 2008 00:49, Jesse Jenks wrote:

Hi guys,
I am designing the gull wing doors on mt Rebel. Can someone tell me if one
latch at the bottom of the door will be enough? I would use a cam type
latch like on a camper shell. Plan B would be to have central handle and a
rod to each side of the door like a J-3. Just to be clear though, I will
have a one piece door hinged at the top. Thanks.
Jesse

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Bob,
Thanks for the comments. Too late, I already added the wedge in the opening. I have seen the cad drawings, just wondering if anyone has tried a single latch. As for emergency egress, I will have sliding windows which should be as good as anything if underwater.
Jesse

From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:29:57 +0000

Hi Jesse !

You'll likely be happier with at least 2 latches - I think Wayne used
3 on his. Center handle, with pins to front, back, & bottom, for a
good seal - extra effort because of the cut-out at the lower front to
clear the strut.

There is at least one set - possibly 2 - of CAD drawings for gull doors
around - might be in the Files area.... or ask if someone can send them.

Personally, I would NOT use gull wing doors, especially if you are
going on floats - they are almost impossible to open if you are
upside-down in the water, with all that water pressure on them !!

The regular Rebel doors work fine, and are better for sailing --
and I can dive out that open window anytime !!!

That mod - like most - can add 6 months to your build time....
Like I always say - "Just GET IT FLYING !!!" You can always
change the doors later - IF you still want to ... ;-) :-)--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 17 February 2008 00:49, Jesse Jenks wrote:
Hi guys,
I am designing the gull wing doors on mt Rebel. Can someone tell me if one
latch at the bottom of the door will be enough? I would use a cam type
latch like on a camper shell. Plan B would be to have central handle and a
rod to each side of the door like a J-3. Just to be clear though, I will
have a one piece door hinged at the top. Thanks.
Jesse

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Jesse

I have single latch at bottom of door, seems to work okay provide door is
straight, no bow out, of window is made to open down as well it adds more
flexibility, drawing are on the sight I think, might even be some pics on
the sight cant recall

Mike#007

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:18 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Bob,
Thanks for the comments. Too late, I already added the wedge in the opening.
I have seen the cad drawings, just wondering if anyone has tried a single
latch. As for emergency egress, I will have sliding windows which should be
as good as anything if underwater.
Jesse

From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:29:57 +0000

Hi Jesse !

You'll likely be happier with at least 2 latches - I think Wayne used
3 on his. Center handle, with pins to front, back, & bottom, for a
good seal - extra effort because of the cut-out at the lower front to
clear the strut.

There is at least one set - possibly 2 - of CAD drawings for gull

doors

around - might be in the Files area.... or ask if someone can send them.

Personally, I would NOT use gull wing doors, especially if you are
going on floats - they are almost impossible to open if you are
upside-down in the water, with all that water pressure on them !!

The regular Rebel doors work fine, and are better for sailing --
and I can dive out that open window anytime !!!

That mod - like most - can add 6 months to your build time....
Like I always say - "Just GET IT FLYING !!!" You can always
change the doors later - IF you still want to ... ;-) :-)--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 17 February 2008 00:49, Jesse Jenks wrote:
Hi guys,
I am designing the gull wing doors on mt Rebel. Can someone tell me if

one

latch at the bottom of the door will be enough? I would use a cam type
latch like on a camper shell. Plan B would be to have central handle and

a

rod to each side of the door like a J-3. Just to be clear though, I will
have a one piece door hinged at the top. Thanks.
Jesse

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Thanks Mike,
That's good to hear. I think I will build the doors without committing to the type of latch, then see how it looks.
Jesse

From: mfj@cogeco.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:50:36 -0500

Jesse

I have single latch at bottom of door, seems to work okay provide door is
straight, no bow out, of window is made to open down as well it adds more
flexibility, drawing are on the sight I think, might even be some pics on
the sight cant recall

Mike#007

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Jenks
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:18 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Bob,
Thanks for the comments. Too late, I already added the wedge in the opening.
I have seen the cad drawings, just wondering if anyone has tried a single
latch. As for emergency egress, I will have sliding windows which should be
as good as anything if underwater.
Jesse
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:29:57 +0000

Hi Jesse !

You'll likely be happier with at least 2 latches - I think Wayne used
3 on his. Center handle, with pins to front, back, & bottom, for a
good seal - extra effort because of the cut-out at the lower front to
clear the strut.

There is at least one set - possibly 2 - of CAD drawings for gull
doors
around - might be in the Files area.... or ask if someone can send them.

Personally, I would NOT use gull wing doors, especially if you are
going on floats - they are almost impossible to open if you are
upside-down in the water, with all that water pressure on them !!

The regular Rebel doors work fine, and are better for sailing --
and I can dive out that open window anytime !!!

That mod - like most - can add 6 months to your build time....
Like I always say - "Just GET IT FLYING !!!" You can always
change the doors later - IF you still want to ... ;-) :-)--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 17 February 2008 00:49, Jesse Jenks wrote:
Hi guys,
I am designing the gull wing doors on mt Rebel. Can someone tell me if
one
latch at the bottom of the door will be enough? I would use a cam type
latch like on a camper shell. Plan B would be to have central handle and
a
rod to each side of the door like a J-3. Just to be clear though, I will
have a one piece door hinged at the top. Thanks.
Jesse

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Hi Jesse,
I have the gull wing doors and just love them for float operations. No
dodging doors while docking in particular.
I did do the 3 pin on a bellcrank. I'm not sure I'd be happy with just one
pin. IMHO the door is so flexible that even if it fit perfect in the
beginning, over time there may be conflicts.
As a side to this, where the pins go into the fuselage I added a piece of
.40 as a latch plate. When I mounted the plate I kept it hanging over the edge
of the fuselage so if the pins are extended when the door is being shut it
hits the latch plate and will not leave a nice ding in your new paint job.
I think there may be pic's in the archives of this. If not, let me know and
I'll try and find them.
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Thanks Curt,
I looked again on the archives and I only see one picture of a gull wing door on a Rebel (actually titled "photo of gull wing door on an Elite") And there are the cad drawings too. If you can find some more pics, I would love to see them.
Glad to hear you like them on floats. That's the main reason I am going to the trouble. The Rebel door is so wide it seems like it would really get in the way. Being wider than it is tall seems to make it a natural to hinge it at the top.
Jesse

From: Rebflyer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:13:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Jesse,
I have the gull wing doors and just love them for float operations. No
dodging doors while docking in particular.
I did do the 3 pin on a bellcrank. I'm not sure I'd be happy with just one
pin. IMHO the door is so flexible that even if it fit perfect in the
beginning, over time there may be conflicts.
As a side to this, where the pins go into the fuselage I added a piece of
.40 as a latch plate. When I mounted the plate I kept it hanging over the edge
of the fuselage so if the pins are extended when the door is being shut it
hits the latch plate and will not leave a nice ding in your new paint job.
I think there may be pic's in the archives of this. If not, let me know and
I'll try and find them.
Curt
N97MR

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Another reason for gullwing doors might be to make it easier to stuff long and wide (although light) things into the back of the cabin. With the regular doors, they open to the front and are stopped at the strut. Long wide things then need to fit through the window, or else they can't go in. I have run into that a few times with my Rebel.

A disadvantage, though, might be not being able to open a window in flight for pics, etc., not that I do that a lot. Unless, I guess, you still have a window that can open.

If on floats, be sure that the door can be easily opened with your latch mechanism, just in case of that rare unplanned event where you might find yourself upside down in the water. Ideally, you should be able to kick it open. I know with the regular door, that's all it takes (not that I have tried it underwater).

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Jenks <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Thanks Curt,
I looked again on the archives and I only see one picture of a
gull wing door on a Rebel (actually titled "photo of gull wing
door on an Elite") And there are the cad drawings too. If you
can find some more pics, I would love to see them.
Glad to hear you like them on floats. That's the main reason I
am going to the trouble. The Rebel door is so wide it seems like
it would really get in the way. Being wider than it is tall
seems to make it a natural to hinge it at the top.
Jesse

From: Rebflyer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:13:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Jesse,
I have the gull wing doors and just love them for
float operations. No
dodging doors while docking in particular.
I did do the 3 pin on a bellcrank. I'm not sure I'd be
happy with just one
pin. IMHO the door is so flexible that even if it fit perfect
in the
beginning, over time there may be conflicts.
As a side to this, where the pins go into the fuselage I
added a piece of
.40 as a latch plate. When I mounted the plate I kept it
hanging over the edge
of the fuselage so if the pins are extended when the door is
being shut it
hits the latch plate and will not leave a nice ding in your
new paint job.
I think there may be pic's in the archives of this. If
not, let me know and
I'll try and find them.
Curt

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Just to throw in my pennyworth, I was planning to put the top half of my
door hinged upwards on small gas struts and keep the lower half as is, has
anyone done this? Peter G-CBFK
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Thanks Curt,
I looked again on the archives and I only see one picture of a gull wing
door on a Rebel (actually titled "photo of gull wing door on an Elite")
And there are the cad drawings too. If you can find some more pics, I
would love to see them.
Glad to hear you like them on floats. That's the main reason I am going to
the trouble. The Rebel door is so wide it seems like it would really get
in the way. Being wider than it is tall seems to make it a natural to
hinge it at the top.
Jesse

From: Rebflyer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:13:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Jesse,
I have the gull wing doors and just love them for float operations. No
dodging doors while docking in particular.
I did do the 3 pin on a bellcrank. I'm not sure I'd be happy with just
one
pin. IMHO the door is so flexible that even if it fit perfect in the
beginning, over time there may be conflicts.
As a side to this, where the pins go into the fuselage I added a piece
of
.40 as a latch plate. When I mounted the plate I kept it hanging over
the edge
of the fuselage so if the pins are extended when the door is being shut
it
hits the latch plate and will not leave a nice ding in your new paint
job.
I think there may be pic's in the archives of this. If not, let me know
and
I'll try and find them.
Curt
N97MR

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Peter,
Mike Betti did exactly that on his Elite. I think his website is mikeselite.com but it doesn't seem to be working now. There are one or two pics of his windows on the list archives.
Jesse

From: peter.gibbs7@virgin.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:10:54 +0000

Just to throw in my pennyworth, I was planning to put the top half of my
door hinged upwards on small gas struts and keep the lower half as is, has
anyone done this? Peter G-CBFK
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Thanks Curt,
I looked again on the archives and I only see one picture of a gull wing
door on a Rebel (actually titled "photo of gull wing door on an Elite")
And there are the cad drawings too. If you can find some more pics, I
would love to see them.
Glad to hear you like them on floats. That's the main reason I am going to
the trouble. The Rebel door is so wide it seems like it would really get
in the way. Being wider than it is tall seems to make it a natural to
hinge it at the top.
Jesse

From: Rebflyer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:13:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Jesse,
I have the gull wing doors and just love them for float operations. No
dodging doors while docking in particular.
I did do the 3 pin on a bellcrank. I'm not sure I'd be happy with just
one
pin. IMHO the door is so flexible that even if it fit perfect in the
beginning, over time there may be conflicts.
As a side to this, where the pins go into the fuselage I added a piece
of
.40 as a latch plate. When I mounted the plate I kept it hanging over
the edge
of the fuselage so if the pins are extended when the door is being shut
it
hits the latch plate and will not leave a nice ding in your new paint
job.
I think there may be pic's in the archives of this. If not, let me know
and
I'll try and find them.
Curt
N97MR

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Mike dropped his domain name now that his project is done, but you can still
see the site at http://mikeselite.dcsol.com.

Mike

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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Peter,
Mike Betti did exactly that on his Elite. I think his website is
mikeselite.com but it doesn't seem to be working now. There are one or two
pics of his windows on the list archives.
Jesse

From: peter.gibbs7@virgin.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:10:54 +0000

Just to throw in my pennyworth, I was planning to put the top half of my
door hinged upwards on small gas struts and keep the lower half as is,
has
anyone done this? Peter G-CBFK

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm**

Jesse

I have single latch at bottom of door, seems to work okay provide door is
straight, no bow out, of window is made to open down as well it adds more
flexibility, drawing are on the sight I think, might even be some pics on
the sight cant recall

Mike#007

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:18 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch

Bob,
Thanks for the comments. Too late, I already added the wedge in the opening.
I have seen the cad drawings, just wondering if anyone has tried a single
latch. As for emergency egress, I will have sliding windows which should be
as good as anything if underwater.
Jesse

From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel- door latch
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:29:57 +0000

Hi Jesse !

You'll likely be happier with at least 2 latches - I think Wayne used
3 on his. Center handle, with pins to front, back, & bottom, for a
good seal - extra effort because of the cut-out at the lower front to
clear the strut.

There is at least one set - possibly 2 - of CAD drawings for gull

doors

around - might be in the Files area.... or ask if someone can send them.

Personally, I would NOT use gull wing doors, especially if you are
going on floats - they are almost impossible to open if you are
upside-down in the water, with all that water pressure on them !!

The regular Rebel doors work fine, and are better for sailing --
and I can dive out that open window anytime !!!

That mod - like most - can add 6 months to your build time....
Like I always say - "Just GET IT FLYING !!!" You can always
change the doors later - IF you still want to ... ;-) :-)--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
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On Sunday 17 February 2008 00:49, Jesse Jenks wrote:
Hi guys,
I am designing the gull wing doors on mt Rebel. Can someone tell me if

one

latch at the bottom of the door will be enough? I would use a cam type
latch like on a camper shell. Plan B would be to have central handle and

a

rod to each side of the door like a J-3. Just to be clear though, I will
have a one piece door hinged at the top. Thanks.
Jesse

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