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[rebel-builders] Diesel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:22 pm
by C&P Kucera
From what i have read the biggest problem of the twin-crank diesels is
cooling the area between the pistons, no head to help take the heat away.
Gemini water cool the cylinders. The 3-cyl cranks are short, possibly an
advantage over longer ones, but there are more moving parts.
At the pace I'm building there may be an electric motor option!

paul
453R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Diesel

Some of the claimed "advantages" are marketing hype IMO. I'm not aware
of any two stroke engines that have a camshaft. "Half length"
crankshafts are found in all horizontally opposed and "V" engines.
Without a pressurized crankcase (like a chainsaw) you pretty much have
to have a supercharger on a two stroke engine.

Much as I embrace the future of aviation diesels, I would prefer not to
double the number of crankshafts and pistons. And the generally
cleaner emissions of a 4 stroke may be a consideration. I think I'll
wait to see if the diesel Soob appears. They will sell enough to solve
the single source parts and warranty issue.

Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi All !

Just back from Sebring, Florida, and the LSA show -
there was a LOT of new, neat stuff !!!

NO sign of the Raptor diesel, or whatever the new name is ...
BUT we DID find the Gemini, from Powerplant Developments,
in England - looks VERY interesting ! Size is about a 912, 3 cyl.,
6 pistons, installed weight about 190 lb, hp is 100, or 125 with a
turbo...
They have models all the way up to about 450 hp, with more
cylinders/larger bore.... PRICE about $18,000 US !!!!
No website I could see - email to: info@jadeair.co.uk
US Cell phone: 214-404-3981 -- might still be here.
Fax: +44(0)1444 400745 West Sussex
Mention it's for a Murphy .... ;-)

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[rebel-builders] Diesel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:22 pm
by Keith Leitch
Paul,
You and me both! LOL
Keith

C&P Kucera <cpkucera@idirect.com> wrote:
From what i have read the biggest problem of the twin-crank diesels is
cooling the area between the pistons, no head to help take the heat away.
Gemini water cool the cylinders. The 3-cyl cranks are short, possibly an
advantage over longer ones, but there are more moving parts.
At the pace I'm building there may be an electric motor option!

paul
453R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Diesel

Some of the claimed "advantages" are marketing hype IMO. I'm not aware
of any two stroke engines that have a camshaft. "Half length"
crankshafts are found in all horizontally opposed and "V" engines.
Without a pressurized crankcase (like a chainsaw) you pretty much have
to have a supercharger on a two stroke engine.

Much as I embrace the future of aviation diesels, I would prefer not to
double the number of crankshafts and pistons. And the generally
cleaner emissions of a 4 stroke may be a consideration. I think I'll
wait to see if the diesel Soob appears. They will sell enough to solve
the single source parts and warranty issue.

Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi All !

Just back from Sebring, Florida, and the LSA show -
there was a LOT of new, neat stuff !!!

NO sign of the Raptor diesel, or whatever the new name is ...
BUT we DID find the Gemini, from Powerplant Developments,
in England - looks VERY interesting ! Size is about a 912, 3 cyl.,
6 pistons, installed weight about 190 lb, hp is 100, or 125 with a
turbo...
They have models all the way up to about 450 hp, with more
cylinders/larger bore.... PRICE about $18,000 US !!!!
No website I could see - email to: info@jadeair.co.uk
US Cell phone: 214-404-3981 -- might still be here.
Fax: +44(0)1444 400745 West Sussex
Mention it's for a Murphy .... ;-)

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[rebel-builders] Diesel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:22 pm
by Drew Dalgleish
Two stroke detroit diesels have a cam. Ported intake at the bottom and
exhaust valves on top. The soob engine looks good to me as well although at
about 170hp I'm sure it would be too big for the LSA guys to consider.
Maybe someone will figure out how to cut it in half like the VW's in hummel
birds.

At 10:22 PM 1/23/2008 -0500, you wrote:
Some of the claimed "advantages" are marketing hype IMO. I'm not aware
of any two stroke engines that have a camshaft. "Half length"
crankshafts are found in all horizontally opposed and "V" engines.
Without a pressurized crankcase (like a chainsaw) you pretty much have
to have a supercharger on a two stroke engine.

Much as I embrace the future of aviation diesels, I would prefer not to
double the number of crankshafts and pistons. And the generally
cleaner emissions of a 4 stroke may be a consideration. I think I'll
wait to see if the diesel Soob appears. They will sell enough to solve
the single source parts and warranty issue.

Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi All !

Just back from Sebring, Florida, and the LSA show -
there was a LOT of new, neat stuff !!!

NO sign of the Raptor diesel, or whatever the new name is ...
BUT we DID find the Gemini, from Powerplant Developments,
in England - looks VERY interesting ! Size is about a 912, 3 cyl.,
6 pistons, installed weight about 190 lb, hp is 100, or 125 with a turbo...
They have models all the way up to about 450 hp, with more
cylinders/larger bore.... PRICE about $18,000 US !!!!
No website I could see - email to: info@jadeair.co.uk
US Cell phone: 214-404-3981 -- might still be here.
Fax: +44(0)1444 400745 West Sussex
Mention it's for a Murphy .... ;-)

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