[rebel-builders] RE: Vans Spinner
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm
Walter
I know that Gilbert Tessier used the Vans spinner with a Prince prop designed for his 0360. I believe Prince usually follows the same thickness of the hub as Sensenich. I had a spinner from a Sensenich 76DM that was fitted on a 0320. The Prince and the spinner fitted together perfectly. I can't confirm it but I believe that Gilbert's prop was thicker and he had no problems assembling the spinner. I don't think the angle where the back bulk head and spinner come together is much off of 90* which gives u a bit of flexability for a slightly thicker prop. I think u will have no problems with the set up.
Steve W > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:32:36 -0700> From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Vans Spinner> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > As per my last post here, I am still trying to figure out if the Vans> spinner will work with the 360 engine and the 76EM prop. I have been> emailing with Vans about this, but the guy I have been dealing with was not> too knowledgeable or helpful. All he can tell me is that it will work on an> RV using the 72FM prop.> > The problem, though, is that the 76EM prop hub for the Murphy is 1/8 inch> thicker than the standard 72FM RV prop 360 prop. If it was the other way> around, I could have added a spacer.> > On their website they list another front spinner plate S-605 SEN for "other> aircraft". When I asked the guy what that was for or if it might fit, he> couldn't tell me.> > So sure would like to hear from any of you that have used the Vans spinner> on the 360 with the 76EM prop. What exactly did you order from Vans, and/or> how did you
make it fit?> > Walter
t
ime.> > Walter> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Gary Gustafson <gargus@comcast.net>> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:12 am> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter - Vans Spinner> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > > The Van's spinner has a front bulkhead and does not require a> > crush plate for the front bulkhead. Yes the standard bolt kit> > for the Sensenich prop and spacer will fit with this spinner.> > Easier to drill holes with Van's spinner as you can see through> > the fiberglass and it is trued concentric if back bulkhead is > > installed even with the back edge of the spinner.> > Gary> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf Of Walter> > Klatt> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:53 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter - Vans Spinner> > > > Does the Vans spinner have a front bulkhead as well? And does it > > require a> > crush plate for the f
ront bulkhead?> > > > W
i
ll the standard propeller bolt kit for the Sensenich prop and > > spacer fit> > with this spinner?> > > > Walter> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf Of> > kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:32 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > > > No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades > > for one > > cut out> > Sean> > > > On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> > > > -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?> > -> > > -> Walter> > -> > > -> -----Original Message-----> > -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf > > Of> > -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > -> > > -> The vans bulkheads are prepunch
ed for the prop bolts b
u
t you > > need to > > put > > -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see > > right through > > the > > -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes > > -> > > -> Sean> > -> > > -> > > -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> > -> > > -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled > > for prop> > bolts?> > -> My> > -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it > > was a lot of> > -> work. I> > -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am > > getting real> > lazy> > -> now> > -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in > > the air ASAP.> > -> -> > > -> -> Walter> > -> -> > > -> -> -----Original Message-----> > -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] > > On > > Behalf > > -> Of> > -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM> > -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
> > -> -> > > -> -> Hi
W
alter> > -> -> > > -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel > > injection will work.> > It> > -> -> needs > > -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the > > Murphy cowl> > I've> > -> done> > -> -> > > -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just > > fine. I also > > use > > -> Vans > > -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and > > are a very> > good> > -> -> price > > -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a > > Van-Murphy> > fire> > -> wall> > -> -> > > -> -> forward package> > -> -> > > -> -> Sean> > -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-> > builders:-> -> > > -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb > > heat box for> > the> > -> -> 360> > -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part > > number > > be? I > > -> -> have> > -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking
the lazy route and buyi
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g > > Van's > > baffles,> > -> -> too.> > -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-> > 360. Are > > these > > -> the> > -> -> -> right ones?> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless > > steel exhaust> > -> for> > -> -> the> > -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Walter> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> -----Original Message-----> > -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com > > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > -> Behalf > > -> -> Of> > -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM> > -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that > > fits an 360> > -> carb> > -> -> but> > -> -> -> the > > -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the > > person that> > I> > -> -> spoke> > -> -> -> to at > > -> -> ->
Bracket but I was told
that an 0-360 needs a minimum of > > 27 > > square > > -> -> inchs of > > -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will > > fail in> > about> > -> 25> > -> -> -> hours of > > -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the > > enginetrying> > -> to> > -> -> -> draw > > -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I > > built for Bob> > -> Fry> > -> -> had> > -> -> -> the > > -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while > > belchingblack> > -> -> smoke.> > -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase > > at full> > -> throttle.> > -> -> I > > -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I > > just put Vans> > -> air> > -> -> -> filters > > -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 > > prop and > > -> pulled > > -> -> 2460> > -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob > > cruises at 103 > > kts.> > -> > > -> at> > -> -> > > -> -> -> 2480. This is
an XP-360 with one Lig
h
tspeed. And it is > > still for> > sale> > -> -> take > > -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Sean White > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> --------------------------------------------------------> > ---------> > -> -> -> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> > -> -> -> username "rebel" password "builder"> > -> -> -> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> --------------------------------------------------------> > ---------> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> -----------------------------------------------------------> > ------> > -> -> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> > -> -> username "rebel" password "builder"> > -> -> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> > -> -> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> > -> -> --------------------------------
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I know that Gilbert Tessier used the Vans spinner with a Prince prop designed for his 0360. I believe Prince usually follows the same thickness of the hub as Sensenich. I had a spinner from a Sensenich 76DM that was fitted on a 0320. The Prince and the spinner fitted together perfectly. I can't confirm it but I believe that Gilbert's prop was thicker and he had no problems assembling the spinner. I don't think the angle where the back bulk head and spinner come together is much off of 90* which gives u a bit of flexability for a slightly thicker prop. I think u will have no problems with the set up.
Steve W > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:32:36 -0700> From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Vans Spinner> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > As per my last post here, I am still trying to figure out if the Vans> spinner will work with the 360 engine and the 76EM prop. I have been> emailing with Vans about this, but the guy I have been dealing with was not> too knowledgeable or helpful. All he can tell me is that it will work on an> RV using the 72FM prop.> > The problem, though, is that the 76EM prop hub for the Murphy is 1/8 inch> thicker than the standard 72FM RV prop 360 prop. If it was the other way> around, I could have added a spacer.> > On their website they list another front spinner plate S-605 SEN for "other> aircraft". When I asked the guy what that was for or if it might fit, he> couldn't tell me.> > So sure would like to hear from any of you that have used the Vans spinner> on the 360 with the 76EM prop. What exactly did you order from Vans, and/or> how did you
make it fit?> > Walter
my own like I did last-----Original Message-----> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Walter> Klatt> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:14 PM> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: RE: Vans Spinner> > Just another question on the spinner. I notice the standard Sensenich prop> for the Van's 360 engine is the 72FM series. This one has a prop thickness> of 3.437 inches while the 76EM series which is what is needed for my plane> has a thickness of 3.56. Since the spinner has a front bulkhead, how do you> adjust for the extra size of the 76EM prop?> > Walter> > -----Original Message-----> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of WALTER> KLATT> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:12 PM> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter - Vans Spinner> > Thanks, and sounds very good. They are not bad priced either, and same with> the airbox. Baffles are a little more, but still worth the effort instead of> making
t
ime.> > Walter> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Gary Gustafson <gargus@comcast.net>> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:12 am> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter - Vans Spinner> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > > The Van's spinner has a front bulkhead and does not require a> > crush plate for the front bulkhead. Yes the standard bolt kit> > for the Sensenich prop and spacer will fit with this spinner.> > Easier to drill holes with Van's spinner as you can see through> > the fiberglass and it is trued concentric if back bulkhead is > > installed even with the back edge of the spinner.> > Gary> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf Of Walter> > Klatt> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:53 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter - Vans Spinner> > > > Does the Vans spinner have a front bulkhead as well? And does it > > require a> > crush plate for the f
ront bulkhead?> > > > W
i
ll the standard propeller bolt kit for the Sensenich prop and > > spacer fit> > with this spinner?> > > > Walter> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf Of> > kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:32 PM> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > > > No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades > > for one > > cut out> > Sean> > > > On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> > > > -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?> > -> > > -> Walter> > -> > > -> -----Original Message-----> > -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > Behalf > > Of> > -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > -> > > -> The vans bulkheads are prepunch
ed for the prop bolts b
u
t you > > need to > > put > > -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see > > right through > > the > > -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes > > -> > > -> Sean> > -> > > -> > > -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:> > -> > > -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled > > for prop> > bolts?> > -> My> > -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it > > was a lot of> > -> work. I> > -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am > > getting real> > lazy> > -> now> > -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in > > the air ASAP.> > -> -> > > -> -> Walter> > -> -> > > -> -> -----Original Message-----> > -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] > > On > > Behalf > > -> Of> > -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM> > -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
> > -> -> > > -> -> Hi
W
alter> > -> -> > > -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel > > injection will work.> > It> > -> -> needs > > -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the > > Murphy cowl> > I've> > -> done> > -> -> > > -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just > > fine. I also > > use > > -> Vans > > -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and > > are a very> > good> > -> -> price > > -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a > > Van-Murphy> > fire> > -> wall> > -> -> > > -> -> forward package> > -> -> > > -> -> Sean> > -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-> > builders:-> -> > > -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb > > heat box for> > the> > -> -> 360> > -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part > > number > > be? I > > -> -> have> > -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking
the lazy route and buyi
n
g > > Van's > > baffles,> > -> -> too.> > -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-> > 360. Are > > these > > -> the> > -> -> -> right ones?> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless > > steel exhaust> > -> for> > -> -> the> > -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Walter> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> -----Original Message-----> > -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com > > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On > > -> Behalf > > -> -> Of> > -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM> > -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that > > fits an 360> > -> carb> > -> -> but> > -> -> -> the > > -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the > > person that> > I> > -> -> spoke> > -> -> -> to at > > -> -> ->
Bracket but I was told
that an 0-360 needs a minimum of > > 27 > > square > > -> -> inchs of > > -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will > > fail in> > about> > -> 25> > -> -> -> hours of > > -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the > > enginetrying> > -> to> > -> -> -> draw > > -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I > > built for Bob> > -> Fry> > -> -> had> > -> -> -> the > > -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while > > belchingblack> > -> -> smoke.> > -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase > > at full> > -> throttle.> > -> -> I > > -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I > > just put Vans> > -> air> > -> -> -> filters > > -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 > > prop and > > -> pulled > > -> -> 2460> > -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob > > cruises at 103 > > kts.> > -> > > -> at> > -> -> > > -> -> -> 2480. This is
an XP-360 with one Lig
h
tspeed. And it is > > still for> > sale> > -> -> take > > -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> Sean White > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> --------------------------------------------------------> > ---------> > -> -> -> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> > -> -> -> username "rebel" password "builder"> > -> -> -> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> > -> -> -> --------------------------------------------------------> > ---------> > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> > > -> -> -----------------------------------------------------------> > ------> > -> -> List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login> > -> -> username "rebel" password "builder"> > -> -> Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com> > -> -> List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com> > -> -> --------------------------------
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