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Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
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Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
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Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank.
Is it that much of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I
understand that there would be WAY more fuel than a guy needs
but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok
im_planecrazy at yahoo dot com.

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the
912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have
the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays
I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:

Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel

and with

fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at

installing the

Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I

feel is a may

be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been

spraying>> every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy
primer as I plan on

putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44

gallon tanks, and

have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't

as worried

about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt

now I am

wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be

powered by the

Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with

the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here.

I have a

7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an

Aeromatic prop

on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone

ever thought

about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still

have to build

with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire. There is
nothing to stop you from only carrying the fuel you require for the flight
you have planned. Having the larger tanks available will give you more
options if you travel somewhere solo, you can fill the tanks and have an
extra degree of safety to find an alternate or use the fuel to fly longer
legs on a trip.

Dave J> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:32:11 -0700> From:
im_planecrazy@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight
with Rotax> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Jim,> > Unfortunately I have
already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a con to using the 44
gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more fuel than a guy
needs but other than that is there much problem?> How do you like the
performance with the Rotax?> If you want to mail my home email that is ok
im_planecrazy at yahoo dot com.> > Keith> > Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com>
wrote:> Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS
installed.> I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also
have the 44 gal> tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three
bays I would use> only two.> > Cheers> Jim > Rebel 333> > On 10/17/2007
12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:> > > Have you considered an IO-240?> > > >
Mike> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Keith Leit ch" > > To:
"Murphy Rebel Builde
r
s" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM> > Subject:
[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax> > > > > >> Well guys, I'm
still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with> >> fuel prices
going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the> >> Rotax in
my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may> >> be a
little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying> >> every
piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on> >> putting
it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and> >> have
plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried> >> about
the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am> >>
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the> >>
Rotax.> >> > >> What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with
the Rotax?> >> > >> Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on
here. I have a> >> 7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking o
f
putting an Aeromatic prop> >> on it. Has anyone used one of these props?
Also, has anyone ever thought> >> about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking
because I may still have to build> >> with the O 320.> >> > >> Thank you,>

Keith R661> >> > >> > >>

Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank.
Is it that much of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I
understand that there would be WAY more fuel than a guy needs
but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok
im_planecrazy at yahoo dot com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the
912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have
the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays
I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:

Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel

and with

fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at

installing the

Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I

feel is a may

be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been

spraying>> every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy
primer as I plan on

putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44

gallon tanks, and

have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't

as worried

about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt

now I am

wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be

powered by the

Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with

the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here.

I have a

7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an

Aeromatic prop

on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone

ever thought

about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still

have to build

with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire. There is
nothing to stop you from only carrying the fuel you require for the flight
you have planned. Having the larger tanks available will give you more
options if you travel somewhere solo, you can fill the tanks and have an
extra degree of safety to find an alternate or use the fuel to fly longer
legs on a trip.

Dave J> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:32:11 -0700> From:
im_planecrazy@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight
with Rotax> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Jim,> > Unfortunately I have
already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a con to using the 44
gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more fuel than a guy
needs but other than that is there much problem?> How do you like the
performance with the Rotax?> If you want to mail my home email that is ok
im_planecrazy at yahoo dot com.> > Keith> > Jim Cole
wrote:> Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS
installed.> I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also
have the 44 gal> tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three
bays I would use> only two.> > Cheers> Jim > Rebel 333> > On 10/17/2007
12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:> > > Have you considered an IO-240?> > > >
Mike> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Keith Leit ch" > > To:
"Murphy Rebel Builde
r
s" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM> > Subject:
[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax> > > > > >> Well guys, I'm
still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with> >> fuel prices
going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the> >> Rotax in
my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may> >> be a
little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying> >> every
piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on> >> putting
it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and> >> have
plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried> >> about
the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am> >>
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the> >>
Rotax.> >> > >> What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with
the Rotax?> >> > >> Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on
here. I have a> >> 7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking o
f
putting an Aeromatic prop> >> on it. Has anyone used one of these props?
Also, has anyone ever thought> >> about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking
because I may still have to build> >> with the O 320.> >> > >> Thank you,>

Keith R661> >> > >> > >>

Bob,

I recall you saying something similar to this awhile ago
on the site, that was the reason for the question. But I am past
the point of being able to only go 2-bays. But like you
said....maybe I can put something in there to fill up space. I
guess what I need to do is put some type of big inspection cover
on the top of the tank so I can do such a thing.

The reason for my question may have been a little
misleading...the fuel burn is not the main reason for going the
Rotax route...I am planning on not renewing my medical next year
when it becomes due and going the Sport Pilot route. I really
don't want to but as everyone knows...things happen in life that
we have no control over.

Also, I think I responded to Walter and he said don't use
the cuffs....my reason for using them besides the performance
benefit is my wife was helping me moved the leading adge and I
tried telling her how to handle the sheet and of course being
the wife...she thought she had a better idea and both pieses
buckled in the middle leaving huge creases. I was pissed!!!
Since I had planned on using the cuff anyways I figured it'll
cover them up. :(

Keith

Bob Patterson <beep@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi Dave !

Actually, there are several very good reasons why it's much better
to have only 2 bays/side on the Rebel .... especially considering
that a stock 3 bay setup is already almost 50 % more fuel than
a C-172 ! Two bays/side will still give you approx. 28 - 32
gallons -
considering the Rotax will only burn 5 gal./hr if you beat it,
that's still almost 6 hours endurance !!

If you want to fly light, with a couple of hours fuel -
say 10 gallons - imagine how deep that will be, spread out
over 6 bays total ..... not a lot of head pressure there !
Now, if you do a steep turn, with a bit of slip or skid,
you might uncover a fuel outlet ...... gee, it's quiet !! :-(

If you park it with that 10 gallons aboard, you have a
LOT of air in there, and a lot of surface - there'll be more
evaporation, and more condensation - could end up with
a lot of water in those almost-empty tanks ....
..... water doesn't burn well ! :-(

If you DO fill up those regular tanks, you will be dragging
along 300 lb..... = another passenger, and some luggage !!!
(or more than a set of floats ! )

If you ever DO have a really long trip, you can always
put one or two 5 gallon cans in the back, and, if you really
can't stop, you can hook them into the fuel system,
and the Rotax will happily suck fuel from them for a
few more hours ! We've done that on some very long trips !

Soooooo....... if you have a choice, and are going for
a Rotax 912, you are far better off to just build for 2 bays/side.
A bonus is that you will save a few pounds, and some work, in
the smaller tank skins & fewer rivets.

That said, I've been doing a lot of thinking about ways
to reduce the capacity of existing large tanks - like
inserting a rubber bladder, or ping-pong balls, to fill
space .... I'm sure we can come up with something easy !

And Keith - don't worry toooo much - she'll fly just fine,
even the way you have built her -- should weigh between
725 - 825 lb, tops. Jim & Tom both had a great Ramble
this summer, through the Rockies, with Rotax 912's,
and came home with some big smiles !!! :-) :-)
(especially when they saw the gas bills - less than HALF
the cost of running the O-320 !!)
You will still have the option of going to an O-320, or
a new diesel, if one should come along later .... that's
the beauty of the Rebel - you're not stuck with just ONE engine !

--
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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 17 October 2007 19:21, David Jackson wrote:

The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.

There is

nothing to stop you from only carrying the fuel you require

for the flight

you have planned. Having the larger tanks available will give

you more

options if you travel somewhere solo, you can fill the tanks

and have an

extra degree of safety to find an alternate or use the fuel to

fly longer

legs on a trip.

Dave J> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:32:11 -0700> From:
im_planecrazy@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel

empty weight

with Rotax> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Jim,> >

Unfortunately I have

already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a con to

using the 44

gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more fuel

than a guy

needs but other than that is there much problem?> How do you

like the

performance with the Rotax?> If you want to mail my home email

that is ok

im_planecrazy at yahoo dot com.> > Keith> > Jim Cole
wrote:> Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with

the 912ULS

installed.> I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the

cuffs. I also

have the 44 gal> tanks and if I was doing it over again I

wouldn't go three

bays I would use> only two.> > Cheers> Jim > Rebel 333> > On

10/17/2007> 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:> > > Have you
considered an IO-240?> > > >

Mike> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Keith Leit

ch" > > To:

"Murphy Rebel Builde
r
s" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM> > Subject:
[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax> > > > > >>

Well guys, I'm

still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with> >>

fuel prices

going through the roof I have been relooking at installing

the> >> Rotax in

my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a

may> >> be a

little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been

spraying> >> every

piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan

on> >> putting

it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks,

and> >> have

plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as

worried> >> about

the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I

am> >>

wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be

powered by the> >>

Rotax.> >> > >> What is the average completed empty weight of

a Rebel with

the Rotax?> >> > >> Also, I have another question for the

airplane gurus on

here. I have a> >> 7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am

thinking o

f
putting an Aeromatic prop> >> on it. Has anyone used one of

these props?

Also, has anyone ever thought> >> about useing one on a Rebel?

Just asking

because I may still have to build> >> with the O 320.> >> > >>

Thank you,>

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Bob,

I recall you saying something similar to this awhile ago on the site,
that was the reason for the question. But I am past the point of being able
to only go 2-bays. But like you said....maybe I can put something in there
to fill up space. I guess what I need to do is put some type of big
inspection cover on the top of the tank so I can do such a thing.

The reason for my question may have been a little misleading...the fuel
burn is not the main reason for going the Rotax route...I am planning on
not renewing my medical next year when it becomes due and going the Sport
Pilot route. I really don't want to but as everyone knows...things happen
in life that we have no control over.

Also, I think I responded to Walter and he said don't use the cuffs....my
reason for using them besides the performance benefit is my wife was
helping me moved the leading adge and I tried telling her how to handle the
sheet and of course being the wife...she thought she had a better idea and
both pieses buckled in the middle leaving huge creases. I was pissed!!!
Since I had planned on using the cuff anyways I figured it'll cover them
up. :(

Keith

Bob Patterson <beep@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi Dave !

Actually, there are several very good reasons why it's much better
to have only 2 bays/side on the Rebel .... especially considering
that a stock 3 bay setup is already almost 50 % more fuel than
a C-172 ! Two bays/side will still give you approx. 28 - 32 gallons -
considering the Rotax will only burn 5 gal./hr if you beat it,
that's still almost 6 hours endurance !!

If you want to fly light, with a couple of hours fuel -
say 10 gallons - imagine how deep that will be, spread out
over 6 bays total ..... not a lot of head pressure there !
Now, if you do a steep turn, with a bit of slip or skid,
you might uncover a fuel outlet ...... gee, it's quiet !! :-(

If you park it with that 10 gallons aboard, you have a
LOT of air in there, and a lot of surface - there'll be more
evaporation, and more condensation - could end up with
a lot of water in those almost-empty tanks ....
..... water doesn't burn well ! :-(

If you DO fill up those regular tanks, you will be dragging
along 300 lb..... = another passenger, and some luggage !!!
(or more than a set of floats ! )

If you ever DO have a really long trip, you can always
put one or two 5 gallon cans in the back, and, if you really
can't stop, you can hook them into the fuel system,
and the Rotax will happily suck fuel from them for a
few more hours ! We've done that on some very long trips !

Soooooo....... if you have a choice, and are going for
a Rotax 912, you are far better off to just build for 2 bays/side.
A bonus is that you will save a few pounds, and some work, in
the smaller tank skins & fewer rivets.

That said, I've been doing a lot of thinking about ways
to reduce the capacity of existing large tanks - like
inserting a rubber bladder, or ping-pong balls, to fill
space .... I'm sure we can come up with something easy !

And Keith - don't worry toooo much - she'll fly just fine,
even the way you have built her -- should weigh between
725 - 825 lb, tops. Jim & Tom both had a great Ramble
this summer, through the Rockies, with Rotax 912's,
and came home with some big smiles !!! :-) :-)
(especially when they saw the gas bills - less than HALF
the cost of running the O-320 !!)
You will still have the option of going to an O-320, or
a new diesel, if one should come along later .... that's
the beauty of the Rebel - you're not stuck with just ONE engine !

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Keith, my Rebel was build super light under AULA. It came in at 601 lbs with
the 912.

I have two buddies with the slightly heavier Rebel, both 1450 gross models,
one with the 80 hp and the other with the 100 hp. One comes in at about 645
empty and the other at 685 lbs.

All three on floats, add another 150 to 200 lbs depending on type and size
of floats. While both are heavier empty weights, the other 80 hp Rebel
actually performs better than mine, it appears due to the byancy of his
floats.

The 100hp Rebel will take all the weight thrown at it, full of fuel, 2
passengers plus some gear in the back and is off the water virtually
effortlessly at 50 kts and cruises about 10 kts faster than mine.

If you empty weight is in the 700 lb range with the 912 and you are in the
200 lb range and want to fly with a passenger and long range fuel, the 100hp
is the only way to go, IMHO, as Bob would say.

Aurele
Rebel 063

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From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Hi Aurele, the next step for me is to look at floats. What kind(s)) are
being used on the three different planes?

Thanks
Jim


On 10/17/2007 1:57 PM, "Aurele Lavigne" <acerebel@ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:

Keith, my Rebel was build super light under AULA. It came in at 601 lbs
with
the 912.

I have two buddies with the slightly heavier Rebel, both 1450 gross
models,
one with the 80 hp and the other with the 100 hp. One comes in at about
645
empty and the other at 685 lbs.

All three on floats, add another 150 to 200 lbs depending on type and
size
of floats. While both are heavier empty weights, the other 80 hp Rebel
actually performs better than mine, it appears due to the byancy of his
floats.

The 100hp Rebel will take all the weight thrown at it, full of fuel, 2
passengers plus some gear in the back and is off the water virtually
effortlessly at 50 kts and cruises about 10 kts faster than mine.

If you empty weight is in the 700 lb range with the 912 and you are in
the
200 lb range and want to fly with a passenger and long range fuel, the
100hp
is the only way to go, IMHO, as Bob would say.

Aurele
Rebel 063

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing
the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a
may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks,
and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic
prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to
build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Keith, my Rebel was build super light under AULA. It came in at 601 lbs with
the 912.

I have two buddies with the slightly heavier Rebel, both 1450 gross models,
one with the 80 hp and the other with the 100 hp. One comes in at about 645
empty and the other at 685 lbs.

Aurele
Rebel 063