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Wayne G. O'Shea

Tail Spring

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

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NO I have never run a fiberglass tail spring on my plane, although the AULA
rebel I completed and sold had one on it and it delaminated and trashed the
rudder this winter. I HAVE broke most other objects on these flying machines
though!!!!! I thought that was part of the game!!

Yes, I have been trying to convince most to use a 3 leaf steel trailer
spring for the tail spring. Works great, doesn't significantly straighten
out over time like the Aluminum ones did, or delaminate like the fiberglass
ones do(the AULA Rebel one had 15 hours on it, so wasn't from exposure to
the elements!) and definitely helps with the C of G!

The spring I use (mine has been on for 4 years, and gets a lot of abuse!) is
from Canadian Tire, 3 leafs X 1&3/4" wide with one end having a bolt "curl"
and the other the spring leaf just bent back (doesn't really matter as you
cut it off anyway). It is rated at 950lbs 25" long. CTC # 40-8417-6. Spring
is same thickness (at 2 leaf area) as the old Aluminum and fiberglass ones
for clamping purposes at the tail post. Looking in Princess Auto's
Catalogue page 131 spring "A" item 2080096 may work also, but I wouldn't
know for sure.

The CTC spring is fitted as follows: Cut the "curl" off as tight to the curl
as possible. This is the Attach end!
Then cut the single leaf area on the other end Flush with the second leaf.
This is the Tail Wheel end!
Then disassemble the 3 leafs so you can cut 2 inches off the 3rd spring (at
the end towards the attach end). This is necessary to clear the Rudder hinge
and safety tie bolts. Reassemble the tail spring. Position spring in holder
to mark for attach bolt location (usually just enough edge distance left on
spring to do so). Remove and drill the 3/8" attach hole. Clamp tailwheel in
place and mark/drill bolt hole to match tail wheel mounting hole. Assemble
everything after coating spring with rust inhibitor or painting. (I prefer
the rust inhibitor LP3 or similar as it will keep things from rusting
between the leafs)

I <HIGHLY RECOMMEND> the SCOTT 3200 tail wheel, using Scott's Tension Spring
kit for the steering chains. Take your bank Manager with you to purchase one
however (close to $600 U.S. for the set)!!! The MAM tailwheel is too small
for anything but pavement/hard dirt flying and the Maule tail wheels can be
a shimmy nightmare (or a casting breaking nightmare, as Angus can confirm!)
If you try to use the compression style "screen door closer" springs on the
Scott tail wheel (or any) you can not run the chains tight. If you do the
spring will bottom out and then bend/crack your tail wheel steering horns,
if you have turned one way, stop and then push opposite rudder to straighten
yourself out prior to rolling straight.

Did that help any?!?!?

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: LisaFly99@aol.com <LisaFly99@aol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:26 PM
Subject: Re:Tail Ski

In a message dated 6/3/00 9:56:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

<< The other great benefit
of not running a tail ski is, that when you start to run out of runway you
can haul back on the stick forcing the tail wheel into the snow to use as
a
brake. Yes you might break the tail spring (if you use those fiberglass
ones), but it is better than taking your wings off in the trees!!!!! >>

WAYNE
Is that the voice of experience? Speaking of tail wheels are you the one
running a modified trailer spring from Prince auto? If so could I get some
installation info from you and maybe a part # for the spring. Also I'm
about
to order a full swiveling tail wheel any one out there have any suggestions

Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D.
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LisaFly99

Tail Spring

Post by LisaFly99 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

In a message dated 6/4/00 6:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

<<
Did that help any?!?!?

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca >>

WAYNE
Thanks for the info, And yes it helped a lot to get proven info and not have
to do the trial and error thing! I've had good luck with the fiberglass
spring SO FAR. But to look at the side loads on it in a hard turn and you
know it's just a matter of time.

Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Tail Spring

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

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Yes and $30, plus about an hours work now, is better than the expense and
time involved to rebuild the Rudder and possibly the Elevators THEN.

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: LisaFly99@aol.com <LisaFly99@aol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Tail Spring

In a message dated 6/4/00 6:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

<<
Did that help any?!?!?

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca >>

WAYNE
Thanks for the info, And yes it helped a lot to get proven info and not
have
to do the trial and error thing! I've had good luck with the fiberglass
spring SO FAR. But to look at the side loads on it in a hard turn and you
know it's just a matter of time.

Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D
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Allen Hewko

Tail spring

Post by Allen Hewko » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:55 am

What is the correct weight rating for a replacement steel trailer spring for
the tail spring? I purchased a 1000 lb 2 spring at Princess auto on sale,
and it seems a little heavy.


Allen Hewko
R151



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klehman

Tail spring

Post by klehman » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:55 am

The trailer rating doesn't mean much. I used two leaves from their 3 (or
4?) leaf spring. It was the one where each leaf is only about 1/4"
thick. About $20 or on sale at about $15. I compared it carefully to
other springs and configurations before choosing. On mine the forward
vertical bolt into the fuselage goes through both leaves. THe second
leaf stops before the tailwheel but has a clamp (band) at that point.
The tailwheel only bolts to one leaf. Since leaf springs want to slide
across each other when they move, IMO you only want a bolt(s) going
through both springs at one location, NOT at both ends. If you put a
bolt at both ends it will dramatically increase the force on the
tailpost clamp as the two leafs try to separate as a result of flexing.
I don't think it is a good idea to ask the tailpost clamp to do more
than it was designed for. OTOH that is just opinion since I'm not flying
mine yet...
Ken

Allen Hewko wrote:
What is the correct weight rating for a replacement steel trailer spring for
the tail spring? I purchased a 1000 lb 2 spring at Princess auto on sale,
and it seems a little heavy.


Allen Hewko
R151


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David L. Tuck

Tail Spring

Post by David L. Tuck » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

I have the Murphy tail spring and I remember quite some time ago about
trimming or cutting it down in thickness? Can anyone tell me just what is
meant by this? Or is there a better spring to use? I have checked the
archives and saw some mention of composites and also someone using a spring
from a 7AC.
Any help out there?
Thanks
Dave T
Rebel 009

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