[rebel-builders] Door Windows

[Robert Johnson]

Hi Gary: The material I have for my Rebel is 3/32 which is the same as the
scraps left over from the Moose skylights. You should be able to get it from
any plastics supplier. Clear is never a problem, but the "smoked" has to be
bought in large quantity. Its to bad where so far apart as I have more
around here then I will probably ever use and would give you what you need.
The Rebel kit I am working on, being an older kit came with enough extra
material for the windshield but I bought a newer preformed one from Murphy.
Shipping would probably cost more the buying some locally. That is an option
if you have any trouble. Best regards. Bob J Rebel 192/731
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Jim Cole]

Hi Gary, the sheet I have is 1/8th, High Performance, and is made by GE
products. The label says they have manufacturing in Cobourg Ontario and
there's also a phone number but I don't know how current it is -
1-800-451-3147.

Cheers
Jim - 333R


On 5/30/2007 8:48 AM, "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net> wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[steve whitenect]

Try GE Polymershapes. Shud have an outlet in Calgary.

Steve W 637R

From: Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: "rebel-builders@dcsol.com" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:01:15 -0400

Hi Gary, the sheet I have is 1/8th, High Performance, and is made by GE
products. The label says they have manufacturing in Cobourg Ontario and
there's also a phone number but I don't know how current it is -
1-800-451-3147.

Cheers
Jim - 333R


On 5/30/2007 8:48 AM, "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net> wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[bransom]

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

On 5/30/2007 8:48 AM, "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net> wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Bob, Jim, Steve and Ben. Will chase that down.

Cheers
Garry

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Don't be so quick to make Dupont's Lexan generic for Polycarb. Lexan can be
bent in a brake..cut with tin snips. If you buy generic polycarb sheet and
try that...well lets just say don't!

;O)
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

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[Drew Dalgleish]

Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a little
thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a little
quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Ron Shannon]

In the booklet "How to Soundproof Light Aircraft" available from
http://www.soundproofing.org (also via ACS) they are very clear that one
of the the best things you can do to reduce noise is use thicker window
material.

Garry Wright wrote:
...

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

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[Ron Shannon]

Should add they confirm thicker windows (and doors) attenuate not only
with engine noise, but also wind and prop generated noise, which are
major elements in most planes. The trade off is weight, of course.

Ron Shannon wrote:

In the booklet "How to Soundproof Light Aircraft" available from
http://www.soundproofing.org (also via ACS) they are very clear that one
of the the best things you can do to reduce noise is use thicker window
material.

Garry Wright wrote:
...

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

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[Garry Wright]

Hi Steve. I'm so far over budget that I'm working on stuff that doesn't
cost much. Hmmm. If my wife knew she would likely faint,

Garry

steve whitenect wrote:

Gary
I used an exhaust system from aircraft technologies which have cross over
pipes into two mufflers and also two heat muffs. Around $1100 us and very
quiet. With the ANR head sets, it's very, very quiet.

Steve W. 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:53:25 -0600

Thanks Richard, Drew and Eddie. I will look at what GE offers and go
from there. Noise is definitely a concern.
Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I think so but can't cite any proof other than it seems to be a popular
option for spam cans.

At 07:56 PM 5/31/2007 -0600, you wrote:

way.

Canada?

little

little

simply

the

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[Garry Wright]

Drew,

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

There is an article in Kitplanes this month on a foam material
'polyvinyl nitride' which does a good job and complies with FAA
requirements on fire resistance. Does anyone know of a source in Canada?

My originals are only 1/16" thick and barely manage to hold snapvents
sort of.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a little
thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a little
quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Richard Wampach]

YES!
C-Bailey Long Beach CA. offered a 1/4" windshield in place of a 3/16"
for a 172 and it was definitely quieter. Just a bit harder to install
if you didn't drill off the bottom retainer strip. So the same should
be true for noise on the side windows

Dick Wampach SR-108

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Garry Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:56 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Drew,

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.

Has anyone actually verified this?

There is an article in Kitplanes this month on a foam material
'polyvinyl nitride' which does a good job and complies with FAA
requirements on fire resistance. Does anyone know of a source in Canada?

My originals are only 1/16" thick and barely manage to hold snapvents
sort of.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a

little

thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a

little

quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of

lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual

simply

refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't

have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of

the

window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
068R



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[Eddie Moran]

Hey guys,

I have two smoked, bubbled side windows for sale. I bought the "Window Kit" from MAM and paid over $777 for the "set". I do not need the two side "main" windows. I just used the other ones.

The windows were made in 07 and I can send pics with measurements.

The windows do NOT have frames with them.

With the window kit costing $770 and consisting of eight windows............the two big side ones (that I am selling), the next three side windows (per side) that I used I would compute the value of the two smoked, bubbled, side windows as $400 for the two.

These windows would be very cool. I have clear bubble windows already and do not want to screw with them.

Eddie Moran
N320VT or N240MM




Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca> wrote:
Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a little
thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a little
quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Drew Dalgleish]

I think so but can't cite any proof other than it seems to be a popular
option for spam cans.

At 07:56 PM 5/31/2007 -0600, you wrote:

Drew,

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

There is an article in Kitplanes this month on a foam material
'polyvinyl nitride' which does a good job and complies with FAA
requirements on fire resistance. Does anyone know of a source in Canada?

My originals are only 1/16" thick and barely manage to hold snapvents
sort of.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a little
thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a little
quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote:

The passenger side window of my plane has been damaged by dripping of
lacquer thinner on it. (I didn't do it for a change.) The manual simply
refers to it as lexan but does not specify thickness. So that I don't
have to take it apart to find out (and can leave it in service until
material is available), can someone please measure the thickness of the
window material and let me know?

Any suggestions as to where to buy such a piece in Canada would be
helpful too. Thanks.

Garry
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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Richard, Drew and Eddie. I will look at what GE offers and go
from there. Noise is definitely a concern.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I think so but can't cite any proof other than it seems to be a popular
option for spam cans.

At 07:56 PM 5/31/2007 -0600, you wrote:

Drew,

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

There is an article in Kitplanes this month on a foam material
'polyvinyl nitride' which does a good job and complies with FAA
requirements on fire resistance. Does anyone know of a source in Canada?

My originals are only 1/16" thick and barely manage to hold snapvents
sort of.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

Hi Garry If I needed to replace my side windows I think I'd go a little
thicker than what I have now in order to try and make the plane a little
quieter.

At 06:48 AM 5/30/2007 -0600, you wrote: Drew



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