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[rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Ken !

I catch up to Wray occasionally - he's soldiering on with his
Rebel, out in Grand Bend. It just might be ready to fly this year !!
Engine is hanging already...

My impression is that most of the manuals seem to be adequate
to get the airplanes built - judging by the numbers now flying !!
They DO need some cleanup in some areas - that have been
mentioned here before.... The one manual that IS needed
is a Moose manual, as Ted keeps commenting ! At the moment,
as Wayne says, there's a SR manual, and Moose mods - no
complete Moose manual. Maybe once they get a small assembly line
going on fastbuilds, and all the little detail changes get
settled, they could find one of those many out-of-work tech writers
from the computer business, and put him to work.

I like Wayne's idea of having the writer take dictation while
working along with the team building the Moose - and adding
pictures at key places. The cost would be significant - but
so would the results ! Maybe the Yukon would be a good
test case for this approach ....

Norm is right on - different people learn in different ways !
I have had prospects insist that they couldn't possibly build an
airplane without blueprints -- while I know of one builder
who COULD NOT READ, yet built a very nice Rebel !

You will never please everybody .... but if somebody
really wants to build and fly, he will find a way !!!

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:51, Ken wrote:
I occasionally mention that Wray Thompson's site has an improved
complete Rebel wing manual on his website. Several steps are sequenced
more properly and several tips are there as I recall. I think he also
incorporated the tank build into the wing manual IIRC. When he offered
it to MAM gratis, they were not interested. Anyone hear from Wray in the
last couple of years??
Ken


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[rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by Rick Muller
Bob,

How in the world did this guy get a pilots license if he can't read! Maybe
you should forward his N/C number so we can all watch out for him... Just
kidding. Can you expand on that comment a bit you have my curiosity peeked.

Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:16 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.


Hi Ken !

I catch up to Wray occasionally - he's soldiering on with his
Rebel, out in Grand Bend. It just might be ready to fly this year !!
Engine is hanging already...

My impression is that most of the manuals seem to be adequate
to get the airplanes built - judging by the numbers now flying !!
They DO need some cleanup in some areas - that have been
mentioned here before.... The one manual that IS needed
is a Moose manual, as Ted keeps commenting ! At the moment,
as Wayne says, there's a SR manual, and Moose mods - no
complete Moose manual. Maybe once they get a small assembly line
going on fastbuilds, and all the little detail changes get
settled, they could find one of those many out-of-work tech writers
from the computer business, and put him to work.

I like Wayne's idea of having the writer take dictation while
working along with the team building the Moose - and adding
pictures at key places. The cost would be significant - but
so would the results ! Maybe the Yukon would be a good
test case for this approach ....

Norm is right on - different people learn in different ways !
I have had prospects insist that they couldn't possibly build an
airplane without blueprints -- while I know of one builder
who COULD NOT READ, yet built a very nice Rebel !

You will never please everybody .... but if somebody
really wants to build and fly, he will find a way !!!

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:51, Ken wrote:
I occasionally mention that Wray Thompson's site has an improved
complete Rebel wing manual on his website. Several steps are sequenced
more properly and several tips are there as I recall. I think he also
incorporated the tank build into the wing manual IIRC. When he offered
it to MAM gratis, they were not interested. Anyone hear from Wray in the
last couple of years??
Ken


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[rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Was there a need to read 50 years ago? Back in the day of solo in 5
hours....instead of the support the flight school schedule of 50+ these
days.

We have about a dozen members of our airplane chapter that got their pilots
licences ~ 60 years ago and are still flying legally today. I know 3 that
have less than a grade 6 education and at least one that can't read for
sure.

Wayne


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From: "Rick Muller" <rickhm@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Bob,

How in the world did this guy get a pilots license if he can't read!
Maybe
you should forward his N/C number so we can all watch out for him... Just
kidding. Can you expand on that comment a bit you have my curiosity
peeked.

Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:16 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.


Hi Ken !

I catch up to Wray occasionally - he's soldiering on with his
Rebel, out in Grand Bend. It just might be ready to fly this year !!
Engine is hanging already...

My impression is that most of the manuals seem to be adequate
to get the airplanes built - judging by the numbers now flying !!
They DO need some cleanup in some areas - that have been
mentioned here before.... The one manual that IS needed
is a Moose manual, as Ted keeps commenting ! At the moment,
as Wayne says, there's a SR manual, and Moose mods - no
complete Moose manual. Maybe once they get a small assembly line
going on fastbuilds, and all the little detail changes get
settled, they could find one of those many out-of-work tech writers
from the computer business, and put him to work.

I like Wayne's idea of having the writer take dictation while
working along with the team building the Moose - and adding
pictures at key places. The cost would be significant - but
so would the results ! Maybe the Yukon would be a good
test case for this approach ....

Norm is right on - different people learn in different ways !
I have had prospects insist that they couldn't possibly build an
airplane without blueprints -- while I know of one builder
who COULD NOT READ, yet built a very nice Rebel !

You will never please everybody .... but if somebody
really wants to build and fly, he will find a way !!!

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:51, Ken wrote:
I occasionally mention that Wray Thompson's site has an improved
complete Rebel wing manual on his website. Several steps are sequenced
more properly and several tips are there as I recall. I think he also
incorporated the tank build into the wing manual IIRC. When he offered
it to MAM gratis, they were not interested. Anyone hear from Wray in the
last couple of years??
Ken


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[rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by Mike Davis
Just one question... how does one who can not read get a pilot's license?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Hi Ken !

I catch up to Wray occasionally - he's soldiering on with his
Rebel, out in Grand Bend. It just might be ready to fly this year !!
Engine is hanging already...

My impression is that most of the manuals seem to be adequate
to get the airplanes built - judging by the numbers now flying !!
They DO need some cleanup in some areas - that have been
mentioned here before.... The one manual that IS needed
is a Moose manual, as Ted keeps commenting ! At the moment,
as Wayne says, there's a SR manual, and Moose mods - no
complete Moose manual. Maybe once they get a small assembly line
going on fastbuilds, and all the little detail changes get
settled, they could find one of those many out-of-work tech writers
from the computer business, and put him to work.

I like Wayne's idea of having the writer take dictation while
working along with the team building the Moose - and adding
pictures at key places. The cost would be significant - but
so would the results ! Maybe the Yukon would be a good
test case for this approach ....

Norm is right on - different people learn in different ways !
I have had prospects insist that they couldn't possibly build an
airplane without blueprints -- while I know of one builder
who COULD NOT READ, yet built a very nice Rebel !

You will never please everybody .... but if somebody
really wants to build and fly, he will find a way !!!

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:51, Ken wrote:
I occasionally mention that Wray Thompson's site has an improved
complete Rebel wing manual on his website. Several steps are sequenced
more properly and several tips are there as I recall. I think he also
incorporated the tank build into the wing manual IIRC. When he offered
it to MAM gratis, they were not interested. Anyone hear from Wray in the
last couple of years??
Ken


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[rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by Rick Muller
OK, I can understand getting a license 60 years ago, it just struck me as a
bit out on the tree branch! I have known some people that were instructors
in WWII and never saw active duty because they were "too old!" It is a
great endorsement of the concept I work with in manufacturing called Visual
Method Sheets. These are pictures and symbols that define how to assemble
instruments. They are by definition to not have any "language." This is so
we can export the process off-shore. It can be done, but it takes lots of
effort to create such a process. If your building 1000 a month ok, but not
cost effective for the homebuilt market. Anyway, thanks for addressing my
question!

Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:03 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Was there a need to read 50 years ago? Back in the day of solo in 5
hours....instead of the support the flight school schedule of 50+ these
days.

We have about a dozen members of our airplane chapter that got their pilots
licences ~ 60 years ago and are still flying legally today. I know 3 that
have less than a grade 6 education and at least one that can't read for
sure.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Muller" <rickhm@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.

Bob,

How in the world did this guy get a pilots license if he can't read!
Maybe
you should forward his N/C number so we can all watch out for him... Just
kidding. Can you expand on that comment a bit you have my curiosity
peeked.

Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:16 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] The manual strikes again... & Wray T.


Hi Ken !

I catch up to Wray occasionally - he's soldiering on with his
Rebel, out in Grand Bend. It just might be ready to fly this year !!
Engine is hanging already...

My impression is that most of the manuals seem to be adequate
to get the airplanes built - judging by the numbers now flying !!
They DO need some cleanup in some areas - that have been
mentioned here before.... The one manual that IS needed
is a Moose manual, as Ted keeps commenting ! At the moment,
as Wayne says, there's a SR manual, and Moose mods - no
complete Moose manual. Maybe once they get a small assembly line
going on fastbuilds, and all the little detail changes get
settled, they could find one of those many out-of-work tech writers
from the computer business, and put him to work.

I like Wayne's idea of having the writer take dictation while
working along with the team building the Moose - and adding
pictures at key places. The cost would be significant - but
so would the results ! Maybe the Yukon would be a good
test case for this approach ....

Norm is right on - different people learn in different ways !
I have had prospects insist that they couldn't possibly build an
airplane without blueprints -- while I know of one builder
who COULD NOT READ, yet built a very nice Rebel !

You will never please everybody .... but if somebody
really wants to build and fly, he will find a way !!!

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:51, Ken wrote:
I occasionally mention that Wray Thompson's site has an improved
complete Rebel wing manual on his website. Several steps are sequenced
more properly and several tips are there as I recall. I think he also
incorporated the tank build into the wing manual IIRC. When he offered
it to MAM gratis, they were not interested. Anyone hear from Wray in the
last couple of years??
Ken


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