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Ben,

Thank you. The ones by the strut attach point are the
only ones I figured I needed and was wondering if any
others were possibly needed for future use. I have
gotten the one lug nut plates from Wayne some time ago
so I will be using them for the aileron hinges and
will not be putting in the inspection holes for that
area. Thanks again.

Keith R661

--- bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

MAM calls for inspection holes in front of and
behind where the lift strut
ties to the wing (Chapter 10.10). They didn't call
for that in the
pre-1995 manual, so is it "mandatory"? I dunno.
They also called out
inspect holes at the aileron hinge points, but I
understand some people
don't do these because they instead use nutplates
for the hinge bolts, and
theoretically will never need to get inside there.
I like being able to
lay eyes on key points such as the lift strut attach
structure and felt
like I might as well put the holes in for the hinge
points too. On the
hinge points I left out the hole on the root or end
(left or right wing)
where the hinge nuts are outside. Making the holes
and getting the
doublers just right is a bit time consuming and to
some extent might not be
too bad adding after the plane has been flying.
-Ben /496R

I think I may have asked this question before but

for

some darn reason I can not access the rebel-list.

I am finally back in Hawaii and trying to pick up
where I left off on the wing construction and I am
wondering if it is necesary to put inspection

covers

any where in the wings and where they would be
located.

Thank you,
Keith R661

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MAM discouraged me from adding any more than those two holes. They
especially didn't want any near the wing root. The original manual was
accompanied by a bulletin with details of those two holes at the strut
attachment for anyone who wanted them. So far the only use I've found
for them was for spraying in corrosion-x and for wiring and plumbing my
pitot tube. In my case I also added an access hole for changing and
aligning my landing lights simply because it is awkward to remove a
wingtip when working alone.
Ken

Keith Leitch wrote:

Ben,

Thank you. The ones by the strut attach point are the
only ones I figured I needed and was wondering if any
others were possibly needed for future use. I have
gotten the one lug nut plates from Wayne some time ago
so I will be using them for the aileron hinges and
will not be putting in the inspection holes for that
area. Thanks again.

Keith R661

--- bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

MAM calls for inspection holes in front of and
behind where the lift strut
ties to the wing (Chapter 10.10). They didn't call
for that in the
pre-1995 manual, so is it "mandatory"? I dunno.
They also called out
inspect holes at the aileron hinge points, but I
understand some people
don't do these because they instead use nutplates
for the hinge bolts, and
theoretically will never need to get inside there.
I like being able to
lay eyes on key points such as the lift strut attach
structure and felt
like I might as well put the holes in for the hinge
points too. On the
hinge points I left out the hole on the root or end
(left or right wing)
where the hinge nuts are outside. Making the holes
and getting the
doublers just right is a bit time consuming and to
some extent might not be
too bad adding after the plane has been flying.
-Ben /496R

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Ken,

Are you trying to say that the ones by the strut are
unneccesary also? I would think they would be needed
for inspection during annual time.

Keith
--- Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

MAM discouraged me from adding any more than those
two holes. They
especially didn't want any near the wing root. The
original manual was
accompanied by a bulletin with details of those two
holes at the strut
attachment for anyone who wanted them. So far the
only use I've found
for them was for spraying in corrosion-x and for
wiring and plumbing my
pitot tube. In my case I also added an access hole
for changing and
aligning my landing lights simply because it is
awkward to remove a
wingtip when working alone.
Ken

Keith Leitch wrote:

Ben,

Thank you. The ones by the strut attach point are

the

only ones I figured I needed and was wondering if

any

others were possibly needed for future use. I have
gotten the one lug nut plates from Wayne some time

ago

so I will be using them for the aileron hinges and
will not be putting in the inspection holes for

that

area. Thanks again.

Keith R661

--- bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

MAM calls for inspection holes in front of and
behind where the lift strut
ties to the wing (Chapter 10.10). They didn't

call

for that in the
pre-1995 manual, so is it "mandatory"? I dunno.
They also called out
inspect holes at the aileron hinge points, but I
understand some people
don't do these because they instead use nutplates
for the hinge bolts, and
theoretically will never need to get inside there.

I like being able to
lay eyes on key points such as the lift strut

attach

structure and felt
like I might as well put the holes in for the

hinge

points too. On the
hinge points I left out the hole on the root or

end

(left or right wing)
where the hinge nuts are outside. Making the

holes

and getting the
doublers just right is a bit time consuming and to
some extent might not be
too bad adding after the plane has been flying.
-Ben /496R

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Ahhh you caught that subtlety Keith ;)
Yup I remember the wording on the bulletin as making it sound optional.
No one has ever mentioned those bolts needing attention to my knowledge
so I would think they are optional. I have no idea whether a inspector
for a second purchaser in the USA might insist on looking in there
though. Certainly they would look if the holes are there and I suspect
they'd advise you to put them if you ask but... I doubt that I'll look
in there on my annual unless it is to spray in more corrosion-X.
Ken

Keith Leitch wrote:

Ken,

Are you trying to say that the ones by the strut are
unneccesary also? I would think they would be needed
for inspection during annual time.

Keith
--- Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

snip

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Ken,

I'd be interested in more info about your pitot installation, especially
photos, if available.

Ron
254R

Ken wrote:

MAM discouraged me from adding any more than those two holes. They
especially didn't want any near the wing root. The original manual was
accompanied by a bulletin with details of those two holes at the strut
attachment for anyone who wanted them. So far the only use I've found
for them was for spraying in corrosion-x and for wiring and plumbing my
pitot tube. In my case I also added an access hole for changing and
aligning my landing lights simply because it is awkward to remove a
wingtip when working alone.
Ken

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Hi Ron

I uploaded a small grainy pic to Rebel Misc.
I changed from MAM's pitot on leading edge to a used heated cessna tube
when I added the Mackenze STOL cuff. I am quite pleased with how it
works and I've never banged into it as it is well protected by the wing
strut. It is mounted on an access plate, as close to the wing spar as I
could get it, and a piece of streamline aluminum tubing locates it about
5 inches below the wing. Since I have a bad habit of flying in poor
weather, I thought that a heated tube might be nice but it is much
easier than I expected to land a Rebel without an airspeed indicator.
For IFR flying after a horizon failure, a functioning ASI is nice but
that is also highly unlikely.

Ken

Ron Shannon wrote:

Ken,

I'd be interested in more info about your pitot installation, especially
photos, if available.

Ron
254R

Ken wrote:

MAM discouraged me from adding any more than those two holes. They
especially didn't want any near the wing root. The original manual was
accompanied by a bulletin with details of those two holes at the strut
attachment for anyone who wanted them. So far the only use I've found
for them was for spraying in corrosion-x and for wiring and plumbing my
pitot tube. In my case I also added an access hole for changing and
aligning my landing lights simply because it is awkward to remove a
wingtip when working alone.
Ken

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FWIW,
I extended my fuel tanks into the 4th bay. This puts the outboard solid tank
rib close to the strut attach inspection hole. It is nice to be able to see
that end of the tank through the hole. I also have my tank vent's coming
through that end of the tank, so I can inspect the fittings there as well,
and hopefully replace the vent line if it gets bent.
Jesse

Ahhh you caught that subtlety Keith ;)
Yup I remember the wording on the bulletin as making it sound optional.
No one has ever mentioned those bolts needing attention to my knowledge
so I would think they are optional. I have no idea whether a inspector
for a second purchaser in the USA might insist on looking in there
though. Certainly they would look if the holes are there and I suspect
they'd advise you to put them if you ask but... I doubt that I'll look
in there on my annual unless it is to spray in more corrosion-X.
Ken

Keith Leitch wrote:

Ken,

Are you trying to say that the ones by the strut are
unneccesary also? I would think they would be needed
for inspection during annual time.

Keith
--- Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

snip

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I guess the Rebel is different than the Super Rebel. Inspection holes were
already there in my lower wing skins. A bit of trivia. I marveled at how
long it was taking me to install all my inspection plates in the wings,
fuselage, etc., so I decided to count up how many screws I would have to
remove and replace every year for the annual condition inspection. My jaw
dropped when I realized it was way over 400! Thank goodness I got a
cordless screwdriver for Christmas!

Mike
044SR

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:08 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Inspection holes in wings

Ahhh you caught that subtlety Keith ;)
Yup I remember the wording on the bulletin as making it sound optional.
No one has ever mentioned those bolts needing attention to my knowledge
so I would think they are optional. I have no idea whether a inspector
for a second purchaser in the USA might insist on looking in there
though. Certainly they would look if the holes are there and I suspect
they'd advise you to put them if you ask but... I doubt that I'll look
in there on my annual unless it is to spray in more corrosion-X.
Ken

Keith Leitch wrote:

Ken,

Are you trying to say that the ones by the strut are
unneccesary also? I would think they would be needed
for inspection during annual time.

Keith
--- Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

snip

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