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Hello Duane,

One suggestion is to ask for the 1691 vs 1661 series if they are out of 1661
series. The 1661 series, so I understand, are manufactured in either the UK
or Brazil, whereas the 1691 are manufactured (if I remember correctly) in
the U.S.. Some folks said they didn't like the quality of the 1691, but, in
theory, they ought to be the same.

I just received 1,000 of the 1682-0412 this week, so I know they do have
them in stock. The 1682 series is a new # series that apparently replaces
the 1604 series (per an email I received from Crawford a few weeks ago). I
know that they just in the last week received a new shipment of this #
series from their source, so they should, one would hope, still have stock
on hand.

I guess I got lucky and didn't know it when I ordered the 1661-0414, as I
got a 1,000 three weeks ago.

When I talked to Jed there (800-666-4212 x. 103) he told me my order was
"really small" to them, but, hey, it's still an order.

I checked prices at Hansen rivet supply; they were friendly and responsive,
but their prices were about twice as high as Crawford (if I remember
correctly).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
dcromwell107@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:11 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Received my rivet order

Ted,

I have recently started working on my Rebel again after about a six year
break for other priorities. I am working on the forward fuselage, and I
need some more rivets, especially those with longer grip lengths. I called
Crawford this morning and was told the 1661-0414 rivets were out of stock,
had an 18 week lead time, and came in cartons of 8000. When I asked about
the countersunk ones, 1604-0414, he said "They're even harder to get. (I
couldn't find your 1682-0412 anywhere on their website.) How did you pry
the rivets on this list out of them so easily, and do you have any
suggestions for where to look next.

Duane Cromwell
266R

On 10/18/2006 11:47 AM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Good news, the rivets I received from Crawford Products are exactly
-> the
same
-> dimensions as those I originally received from Murphy Aircraft.
-> Their prices seem to be much, much better than any other vendor that
-> I called
or
-> found on-line (including ACS).
->
-> Xref list:
->
-> RV-1410......1661-1410
-> RV-1414......1661-0414
-> RV-4412.CSK..1682-0412
-> RV-1512......1661-0512
-> RV-1613......1661-0613
-> RV-1619......1661-0619
->
-> Link to Avex specs at Crawford Products:
-> http://www.crawfordproducts.com/avex.htm#lowprofile
->
-> Prices:
->
-> 1661-0410 1,000 $15.90
->
-> 1661-0414 1,000 $17.00
->
-> 1661-0512 1,000 $23.00
->
-> 1682-0415 500 $11.50
->
-> 1661-0613 200 $4.08
->
-> 1661-0619 200 $4.80
->
-> Shipping from Ohio to Colorado added $9.22 to the overall order.
->
-> Ted
->





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Thanks for the suggestions, Ted. I'll probably try Hansen, as availability is
more important than price right now.
Duane
266R

On 11/7/2006 1:28 PM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello Duane,
->
-> One suggestion is to ask for the 1691 vs 1661 series if they are out of
1661
-> series. The 1661 series, so I understand, are manufactured in either the
UK
-> or Brazil, whereas the 1691 are manufactured (if I remember correctly) in
-> the U.S.. Some folks said they didn't like the quality of the 1691, but, in
-> theory, they ought to be the same.
->
-> I just received 1,000 of the 1682-0412 this week, so I know they do have
-> them in stock. The 1682 series is a new # series that apparently replaces
-> the 1604 series (per an email I received from Crawford a few weeks ago).
I
-> know that they just in the last week received a new shipment of this #
-> series from their source, so they should, one would hope, still have stock
-> on hand.
->
-> I guess I got lucky and didn't know it when I ordered the 1661-0414, as I
-> got a 1,000 three weeks ago.
->
-> When I talked to Jed there (800-666-4212 x. 103) he told me my order was
-> "really small" to them, but, hey, it's still an order.
->
-> I checked prices at Hansen rivet supply; they were friendly and responsive,
-> but their prices were about twice as high as Crawford (if I remember
-> correctly).
->
-> Ted




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If that's the case...just get them from Murphy! ;O)

----- Original Message -----
From: <dcromwell107@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Crawford rivet orders

Thanks for the suggestions, Ted. I'll probably try Hansen, as
availability is
more important than price right now.
Duane
266R

On 11/7/2006 1:28 PM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello Duane,
->
-> One suggestion is to ask for the 1691 vs 1661 series if they are out of
1661
-> series. The 1661 series, so I understand, are manufactured in either
the
UK
-> or Brazil, whereas the 1691 are manufactured (if I remember correctly)
in
-> the U.S.. Some folks said they didn't like the quality of the 1691,
but, in
-> theory, they ought to be the same.
->
-> I just received 1,000 of the 1682-0412 this week, so I know they do
have
-> them in stock. The 1682 series is a new # series that apparently
replaces
-> the 1604 series (per an email I received from Crawford a few weeks
ago).
I
-> know that they just in the last week received a new shipment of this #
-> series from their source, so they should, one would hope, still have
stock
-> on hand.
->
-> I guess I got lucky and didn't know it when I ordered the 1661-0414, as
I
-> got a 1,000 three weeks ago.
->
-> When I talked to Jed there (800-666-4212 x. 103) he told me my order
was
-> "really small" to them, but, hey, it's still an order.
->
-> I checked prices at Hansen rivet supply; they were friendly and
responsive,
-> but their prices were about twice as high as Crawford (if I remember
-> correctly).
->
-> Ted




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"BURN"
On 11/7/2006 2:52 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> If that's the case...just get them from Murphy! ;O)
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dcromwell107@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:27 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Crawford rivet orders
->
->
-> > Thanks for the suggestions, Ted. I'll probably try Hansen, as
-> > availability is
-> > more important than price right now.
-> > Duane
-> > 266R
-> >
-> > On 11/7/2006 1:28 PM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Hello Duane,
-> > ->
-> > -> One suggestion is to ask for the 1691 vs 1661 series if they are out of
-> > 1661
-> > -> series. The 1661 series, so I understand, are manufactured in either
-> > the
-> > UK
-> > -> or Brazil, whereas the 1691 are manufactured (if I remember
correctly)
-> > in
-> > -> the U.S.. Some folks said they didn't like the quality of the 1691,
-> > but, in
-> > -> theory, they ought to be the same.
-> > ->
-> > -> I just received 1,000 of the 1682-0412 this week, so I know they do
-> > have
-> > -> them in stock. The 1682 series is a new # series that apparently
-> > replaces
-> > -> the 1604 series (per an email I received from Crawford a few weeks
-> > ago).
-> > I
-> > -> know that they just in the last week received a new shipment of this
#
-> > -> series from their source, so they should, one would hope, still have
-> > stock
-> > -> on hand.
-> > ->
-> > -> I guess I got lucky and didn't know it when I ordered the 1661-0414,
as
-> > I
-> > -> got a 1,000 three weeks ago.
-> > ->
-> > -> When I talked to Jed there (800-666-4212 x. 103) he told me my
order
-> > was
-> > -> "really small" to them, but, hey, it's still an order.
-> > ->
-> > -> I checked prices at Hansen rivet supply; they were friendly and
-> > responsive,
-> > -> but their prices were about twice as high as Crawford (if I remember
-> > -> correctly).
-> > ->
-> > -> Ted
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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If you've got 6 months to spare...(double burn??)

On 11/7/06, eric.r@dcsol.com <eric.r@dcsol.com> wrote:

"BURN"
On 11/7/2006 2:52 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> If that's the case...just get them from Murphy! ;O)
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dcromwell107@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:27 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Crawford rivet orders
->
->
-> > Thanks for the suggestions, Ted. I'll probably try Hansen, as
-> > availability is
-> > more important than price right now.
-> > Duane
-> > 266R
-> >
-> > On 11/7/2006 1:28 PM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:

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...here we go again guys...forget what I said. Buy'm where ever the ... you
like..... Not out to "Burn" anyone and this isn't grade school !

I can email Nancy today for rivets and they'd be out before dark tomorrow!
Maybe she just likes me...but whining/down talk helps you get nowhere in a
suppliers "books". If that's the tact you take then it may be 9 months for
you next time.....

----- Original Message -----
From: "S A" <moose174@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Crawford rivet orders

If you've got 6 months to spare...(double burn??)

On 11/7/06, eric.r@dcsol.com <eric.r@dcsol.com> wrote:

"BURN"
On 11/7/2006 2:52 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> If that's the case...just get them from Murphy! ;O)
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dcromwell107@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:27 PM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Crawford rivet orders
->
->
-> > Thanks for the suggestions, Ted. I'll probably try Hansen, as
-> > availability is
-> > more important than price right now.
-> > Duane
-> > 266R
-> >
-> > On 11/7/2006 1:28 PM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:

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Hello

Last year I have been out of stock with stainless rivets. I gave a call to
Murphy and they give the industry reference number so I bought them locally.
For Avex it is may be more complicated but I called the local salesman of
Avex and he gave me 2 o 3 distributors they have in my area. Murphy have
some problems sometimes ... but they are not so bad! They have answers to
my questions, and the few times I asked parts, they gave me a service
quality in the average of the +/- 150 suppliers I have in my business. They
are there to make money and it is a good thing. We all know aircraft kits
manufacturer who forget it and there is no more service at their phone
number.... I will spent between $50000.00 and $80000.00 on a airplane...
If I can have rivets locally and cheaper... may be. But if I have only a
little doubt of quality or availability, I will be willing to spend more
money and "help" Murphy stay in business. Rebuild a Chevy and go to your
local GM dealer to buy bolts.. how will be the price?

Jean Poirier
Rebel 747R
Pr