[rebel-builders] cross wind landings?

[bransom]

level wheel landings, etc. have your instructor (or mentor) get you

proficient

in "one wheel" landings, both left and right. I have practiced landings in
conditions that required one wheel, full aileron, and a weathervane into the
wind as the aileron lost effectiveness. In actual 90 degree 40 knot

crosswind

(Fox field in Lancaster Ca.), I landed into the wind on the runup area and
stopped before runway centerline ... ground crew then backed the aircraft by
hand into a tiedown!

Eric,
My parents have a cabin in the hills NW of Fox Field and the wind comes up
so strong there that the shingle and trees rattling around have made guests
leave early! At least i think that was the reason ;) I take it you
advocate wing low (one wheel) landing for high Xwind? Sounds different
from BobP's recommendation. Do you and Bob differ on high Xwind landings,
or am I missing something?
Thanks,
-Ben

PS: My little high wind landing story is a "forced landing" in my
ultralight due to desparate need to pee. I found an irrigation pipe yard
with a dirt road pretty much into the wind (30mph and very gusty). The
nice part was a truck size stack of hay bales at the end, which was the
only thing for miles around affording enf wind barrier for me to get out of
the plane, empty said bladder, and still have a plane to get back into.
One of those nice flying memories I'm afraid -- one hand almost on the
plane, partly out of sheer hope, the other aiming my peeing device in the
hazardous spray conditions -- a little bit of hope included here too, while
tucked up next to that much appreciated big stack of hay.




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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Ben !

Eric and I agree !! I also land on one wheel if the wind is
strong enough... welllll, actually, 2 wheels - one main and the
tailwheel. Still 3 point attitude, and stalled.

He's the one with all the DC-3 experience - from all I've heard,
it's VERY difficult to 3 point those - the standard landing IS
a wheel landing ! ;-)

You should invest in some large zip-lock freezer bags (they're
sturdier than regular zip-locks) - that will spare you having to
land because of high P factor !! ;-) :-)

--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 23 October 2006 12:46 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

level wheel landings, etc. have your instructor (or mentor) get you

proficient

in "one wheel" landings, both left and right. I have practiced landings in
conditions that required one wheel, full aileron, and a weathervane into

the

wind as the aileron lost effectiveness. In actual 90 degree 40 knot

crosswind

(Fox field in Lancaster Ca.), I landed into the wind on the runup area and
stopped before runway centerline ... ground crew then backed the aircraft

by

hand into a tiedown!

Eric,
My parents have a cabin in the hills NW of Fox Field and the wind comes up
so strong there that the shingle and trees rattling around have made guests
leave early! At least i think that was the reason ;) I take it you
advocate wing low (one wheel) landing for high Xwind? Sounds different
from BobP's recommendation. Do you and Bob differ on high Xwind landings,
or am I missing something?
Thanks,
-Ben

PS: My little high wind landing story is a "forced landing" in my
ultralight due to desparate need to pee. I found an irrigation pipe yard
with a dirt road pretty much into the wind (30mph and very gusty). The
nice part was a truck size stack of hay bales at the end, which was the
only thing for miles around affording enf wind barrier for me to get out of
the plane, empty said bladder, and still have a plane to get back into.
One of those nice flying memories I'm afraid -- one hand almost on the
plane, partly out of sheer hope, the other aiming my peeing device in the
hazardous spray conditions -- a little bit of hope included here too, while
tucked up next to that much appreciated big stack of hay.

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[eric.r]

Take the innards out of a diaper and fill the zip lock with the material ... I
learned that when I bought my Varieze ... five hour trips in a tip tank sized
cockpit requires a little planning and a little gelling.
On 10/23/2006 9:19 AM, beep@sympatico.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

->
->
-> Hi Ben !
->
-> Eric and I agree !! I also land on one wheel if the wind is
-> strong enough... welllll, actually, 2 wheels - one main and the
-> tailwheel. Still 3 point attitude, and stalled.
->
-> He's the one with all the DC-3 experience - from all I've heard,
-> it's VERY difficult to 3 point those - the standard landing IS
-> a wheel landing ! ;-)
->
-> You should invest in some large zip-lock freezer bags (they're
-> sturdier than regular zip-locks) - that will spare you having to
-> land because of high P factor !! ;-) :-)
->
-> --
-> ......bobp
-> http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
-> http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
-> http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com
->
-> -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> On Monday 23 October 2006 12:46 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
-> > > level wheel landings, etc. have your instructor (or mentor) get you
-> > proficient
-> > > in "one wheel" landings, both left and right. I have practiced landings
in
-> > > conditions that required one wheel, full aileron, and a weathervane
into
-> the
-> > > wind as the aileron lost effectiveness. In actual 90 degree 40 knot
-> > crosswind
-> > > (Fox field in Lancaster Ca.), I landed into the wind on the runup area
and
-> > > stopped before runway centerline ... ground crew then backed the
aircraft
-> by
-> > > hand into a tiedown!
-> >
-> > Eric,
-> > My parents have a cabin in the hills NW of Fox Field and the wind comes
up
-> > so strong there that the shingle and trees rattling around have made
guests
-> > leave early! At least i think that was the reason ;) I take it you
-> > advocate wing low (one wheel) landing for high Xwind? Sounds different
-> > from BobP's recommendation. Do you and Bob differ on high Xwind
landings,
-> > or am I missing something?
-> > Thanks,
-> > -Ben
-> >
-> > PS: My little high wind landing story is a "forced landing" in my
-> > ultralight due to desparate need to pee. I found an irrigation pipe yard
-> > with a dirt road pretty much into the wind (30mph and very gusty). The
-> > nice part was a truck size stack of hay bales at the end, which was the
-> > only thing for miles around affording enf wind barrier for me to get out of
-> > the plane, empty said bladder, and still have a plane to get back into.
-> > One of those nice flying memories I'm afraid -- one hand almost on the
-> > plane, partly out of sheer hope, the other aiming my peeing device in the
-> > hazardous spray conditions -- a little bit of hope included here too, while
-> > tucked up next to that much appreciated big stack of hay.
-> >
->





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[Jesse Jenks]

Bladder relief in an ultralight...talk about pi$$ing in the wind!

From: eric.r@dcsol.com
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] cross wind landings?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:23:45 -0800

Take the innards out of a diaper and fill the zip lock with the material
... I
learned that when I bought my Varieze ... five hour trips in a tip tank
sized
cockpit requires a little planning and a little gelling.
On 10/23/2006 9:19 AM, beep@sympatico.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

->
->
-> Hi Ben !
->
-> Eric and I agree !! I also land on one wheel if the wind is
-> strong enough... welllll, actually, 2 wheels - one main and the
-> tailwheel. Still 3 point attitude, and stalled.
->
-> He's the one with all the DC-3 experience - from all I've heard,
-> it's VERY difficult to 3 point those - the standard landing IS
-> a wheel landing ! ;-)
->
-> You should invest in some large zip-lock freezer bags (they're
-> sturdier than regular zip-locks) - that will spare you having to
-> land because of high P factor !! ;-) :-)
->
-> --
-> ......bobp
-> http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
-> http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
-> http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com
->
-> -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> On Monday 23 October 2006 12:46 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
-> > > level wheel landings, etc. have your instructor (or mentor) get you
-> > proficient
-> > > in "one wheel" landings, both left and right. I have practiced
landings
in
-> > > conditions that required one wheel, full aileron, and a weathervane
into
-> the
-> > > wind as the aileron lost effectiveness. In actual 90 degree 40 knot
-> > crosswind
-> > > (Fox field in Lancaster Ca.), I landed into the wind on the runup
area
and
-> > > stopped before runway centerline ... ground crew then backed the
aircraft
-> by
-> > > hand into a tiedown!
-> >
-> > Eric,
-> > My parents have a cabin in the hills NW of Fox Field and the wind
comes
up
-> > so strong there that the shingle and trees rattling around have made
guests
-> > leave early! At least i think that was the reason ;) I take it you
-> > advocate wing low (one wheel) landing for high Xwind? Sounds
different
-> > from BobP's recommendation. Do you and Bob differ on high Xwind
landings,
-> > or am I missing something?
-> > Thanks,
-> > -Ben
-> >
-> > PS: My little high wind landing story is a "forced landing" in my
-> > ultralight due to desparate need to pee. I found an irrigation pipe
yard
-> > with a dirt road pretty much into the wind (30mph and very gusty).
The
-> > nice part was a truck size stack of hay bales at the end, which was
the
-> > only thing for miles around affording enf wind barrier for me to get
out of
-> > the plane, empty said bladder, and still have a plane to get back
into.
-> > One of those nice flying memories I'm afraid -- one hand almost on the
-> > plane, partly out of sheer hope, the other aiming my peeing device in
the
-> > hazardous spray conditions -- a little bit of hope included here too,
while
-> > tucked up next to that much appreciated big stack of hay.
-> >
->





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