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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Ken
Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so far
at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with melting
point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007




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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Jones, Michael
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so
far
at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with
melting
point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007




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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Ken
I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so

far

at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with

melting

point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007





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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Jones, Michael
thanks ken

am using all copper and compression fittings, except at cylinder where there
is a special nozzle fitting and it requires a brass fitting to be soldered
to copper line then nut on it, to bad its not all compression but as usual
the certified world screws us home builders

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so

far

at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with

melting

point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007





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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Mike...put the nut on first LOL.

You can take the spray nozzles out and just replace with an 1/2NPT
compression nipple. The engine will start the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] primer lines

thanks ken

am using all copper and compression fittings, except at cylinder where
there
is a special nozzle fitting and it requires a brass fitting to be soldered
to copper line then nut on it, to bad its not all compression but as usual
the certified world screws us home builders

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they
use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so

far

at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with

melting

point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007





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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
That should say 1/8th NPT !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines

Mike...put the nut on first LOL.

You can take the spray nozzles out and just replace with an 1/2NPT
compression nipple. The engine will start the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] primer lines

thanks ken

am using all copper and compression fittings, except at cylinder where
there
is a special nozzle fitting and it requires a brass fitting to be
soldered
to copper line then nut on it, to bad its not all compression but as
usual
the certified world screws us home builders

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they
use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


far

melting




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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Jones, Michael
Wayne

, so can use just regular nipple,

guess some fuel would vaporize & get sucked into cylinder,

have already bought all this stuff and was not cheap, would like to use it
since get charged for returning it to leavens,

do you know anything about soldering this nozzle Wayne ??

thank

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike...put the nut on first LOL.

You can take the spray nozzles out and just replace with an 1/2NPT
compression nipple. The engine will start the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] primer lines

thanks ken

am using all copper and compression fittings, except at cylinder where
there
is a special nozzle fitting and it requires a brass fitting to be soldered
to copper line then nut on it, to bad its not all compression but as usual
the certified world screws us home builders

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they
use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so

far

at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with

melting

point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007





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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Nope...never bothered even though I have thousands of the "bulb" ends for
the tube to fit the spray nozzle fitting here. I can't see normal solder
melting from cylinder heat. They aren't that close to the exhaust. But like
Ken suggest...silver solder from an AC tech might be good insurance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Wayne

, so can use just regular nipple,

guess some fuel would vaporize & get sucked into cylinder,

have already bought all this stuff and was not cheap, would like to use it
since get charged for returning it to leavens,

do you know anything about soldering this nozzle Wayne ??

thank

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike...put the nut on first LOL.

You can take the spray nozzles out and just replace with an 1/2NPT
compression nipple. The engine will start the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] primer lines

thanks ken

am using all copper and compression fittings, except at cylinder where
there
is a special nozzle fitting and it requires a brass fitting to be
soldered
to copper line then nut on it, to bad its not all compression but as
usual
the certified world screws us home builders

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


I guess I can't help you any further Mike.
I'd defer to Leavens I think. Standard solder won't take cylinder head
temps but I suppose your fittings will be cooler than max cht. Common
solders do vary at least 50F in melting temp depending on their
composition with 50/50 tin/lead being about the lowest I think. Don't
know about leadfree offhand. When I braze copper it does glow red but I
don't recall any melting problems. Bingelis says primer lines are
usually aluminum but that most homebuilders actualy use copper lines and
compression fittings??
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:
hey ken

trying to get some out of leavens, but they claim they dont use silver
solder on copper as the two have similar melting points, hey claim they
use
regular solder on primer lines, so what is right

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] primer lines


Mike
That hardware store solder with a few percent silver is still low
temperature solder that typically melts at well under 500*F.
Fahrenheit not Celsius. Totally unsuitable. I have not done any primer
lines and I usually bronze braze things that need high temperature so I
don't have any silver solder. I have seen it in welding suppliers,
refrigeration suppliers, and it appears on E-bay. Usually you need a
compatible flux to makes solders work as well.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:


far

melting




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[rebel-builders] primer lines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Schmucker, Del
Mike:

On my Subaru with the Airflow Performance Fuel injection I used
stainless steel 1/8 inch lines and use the silver solder from local
welding supply store. It has Cadmium in it so be careful from the
fumes. You have to use the flux as well and I believe it would work
with copper lines as well. I just used a propane torch it was actually
easy to do.

Thank you,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca


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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:16 AM
To: Rebel-Builders (E-mail)
Subject: [rebel-builders] primer lines

hi all

has anyone out there done the soldering of primer lines, i understand i
should use silver solder on the ends of the primer lines because of its
higher melting point, which makes sense, the only solder i have found so
far
at stores near me is lead free solder with some silver content, with
melting
point of approx 500 deg c, would this be okay to use, or does anyone in
canada know a local supplier of better silver solder

thank

mike#007




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