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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Mike Davis
Hi Ted,

Don't know about a US source, but there is a method to the naming vs.
size...

The first number is the type of rivet, the second is the diameter, and the
third and fourth are the grip length. Here are the most common rivets we
use.

RV-1410 1/8" X 3/16"
RV-1414 1/8" X 5/16"
RV-1613 3/16" X 1/4"
RV-1619 3/16" X 3/8"
RV-1621 3/16" X 1/2"
RV-4412 1/8" X 3/16" COUNTERSUNK
RR-5404 1/8" X 1/4" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5406 1/8" X 3/8" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5604 3/16" X 1/4" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5606 3/16" X 3/8" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-6403 1/8" X 3/16" CLOSED END (TYPICAL TANK RIVET)

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a source
for
the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that is). I'd like to
find a U.S. source.

I know that Aircraft Spruce lists the Cherry BSP & BSC as roughly
equivalent
(I may end up ordering these if I can't find a good source for Avex ones).
ACS also has some Avex (as do a couple of other places), but they are
different (e.g. 1601-0410 series??) than the RV-xxxx numbering series
found
in the Murphy manual.

Anyone found a U.S. based source for the Avex rivet?

Last, is there any rhyme or reason to the Avex numbering scheme? E.G. an
RV-1410 is 1/8" x 3/16"--other than memorizing such?

Thank you!

Ted


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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Rich Dodson
Ted,

Use the sizes from Mike below and try the following sources:

www.hansonrivet.com

and

www.rapidrivet.com

Please don't forget that the mandrel and the rivet body are often different types and the strength of the rivet depends on the combination.

Rich
Rebel 806R


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From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:57:56 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?


Hi Ted,

Don't know about a US source, but there is a method to the naming vs.
size...

The first number is the type of rivet, the second is the diameter, and the
third and fourth are the grip length. Here are the most common rivets we
use.

RV-1410 1/8" X 3/16"
RV-1414 1/8" X 5/16"
RV-1613 3/16" X 1/4"
RV-1619 3/16" X 3/8"
RV-1621 3/16" X 1/2"
RV-4412 1/8" X 3/16" COUNTERSUNK
RR-5404 1/8" X 1/4" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5406 1/8" X 3/8" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5604 3/16" X 1/4" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-5606 3/16" X 3/8" STAINLESS STEEL
RR-6403 1/8" X 3/16" CLOSED END (TYPICAL TANK RIVET)

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a source
for
the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that is). I'd like to
find a U.S. source.

I know that Aircraft Spruce lists the Cherry BSP & BSC as roughly
equivalent
(I may end up ordering these if I can't find a good source for Avex ones).
ACS also has some Avex (as do a couple of other places), but they are
different (e.g. 1601-0410 series??) than the RV-xxxx numbering series
found
in the Murphy manual.

Anyone found a U.S. based source for the Avex rivet?

Last, is there any rhyme or reason to the Avex numbering scheme? E.G. an
RV-1410 is 1/8" x 3/16"--other than memorizing such?

Thank you!

Ted


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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Robert and Olga Johnson
Ted this is the source I found (http://www.crawfordproducts.com/avdel.htm)
which has all the same rivets then some. - Bob J (Moose 226, Rebel 192.731)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a source
for
the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that is). I'd like to
find a U.S. source.


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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Ken
BSP and BSC are "pop" rivets. Avoid them for anything structural as they
are Very different than avex and among other things, they do not expand
radially like avex and may tend to get rusty mandrels.
The avex from Spruce are fine.
Best prices are usually direct from textron and there have been quality
issues with substitutes so I will only use textron part numbers.
The 1691 series avex is American made and works just fine. Not sure if
still true but the 1661 series is the same avex rivet with the same
specs but made in Britain. AFAIK Zenith will only use the 1661 British
made rivet because of better quality control and I've always been able
to get the 1661 from textron in Toronto at just under 5 cents cdn.. They
have facilities in the USA as well.
BTW- order a lot more than you think you will need ;(
Ken

Ted Waltman wrote:
I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a source for
the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that is). I'd like to
find a U.S. source.

I know that Aircraft Spruce lists the Cherry BSP & BSC as roughly equivalent
(I may end up ordering these if I can't find a good source for Avex ones).
ACS also has some Avex (as do a couple of other places), but they are
different (e.g. 1601-0410 series??) than the RV-xxxx numbering series found
in the Murphy manual.

Anyone found a U.S. based source for the Avex rivet?

Last, is there any rhyme or reason to the Avex numbering scheme? E.G. an
RV-1410 is 1/8" x 3/16"--other than memorizing such?

Thank you!

Ted




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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Ted Waltman
Thanks Bob, but maybe I'm just a bit dense today. I went the site you
indicate below, and, again, there's no RV-1410, or 4412 or 1521, etc. There
seem to be the same set (same # system) that one sees at ACS or other sites
that are like 1661-0410, etc. There's nothing on their Avex page that
indicates any counter-sunk rivets either. What am I missing?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Robert
and Olga Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Ted this is the source I found (http://www.crawfordproducts.com/avdel.htm)
which has all the same rivets then some. - Bob J (Moose 226, Rebel 192.731)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a
source for the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that
is). I'd like to find a U.S. source.


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[rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am
by Jones, Michael
TED

rv numbers are murphy numbers, others use textron numbers

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:18 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?


Thanks Bob, but maybe I'm just a bit dense today. I went the site you
indicate below, and, again, there's no RV-1410, or 4412 or 1521, etc. There
seem to be the same set (same # system) that one sees at ACS or other sites
that are like 1661-0410, etc. There's nothing on their Avex page that
indicates any counter-sunk rivets either. What am I missing?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Robert
and Olga Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

Ted this is the source I found (http://www.crawfordproducts.com/avdel.htm)
which has all the same rivets then some. - Bob J (Moose 226, Rebel 192.731)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Avex rivet source?

I've been looking around the web and can't seem to readily find a
source for the Avex RV-1410 or RV-4412 rivets (besides Murphy that
is). I'd like to find a U.S. source.


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