[rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

[Drew Dalgleish]

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Jesse Jenks]

I don't think he had any. He was using a single arm tailwheel.

From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:26:15 -0400

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Drew Dalgleish]

At 04:57 PM 10/2/2006 -0700, you wrote:

I don't think he had any. He was using a single arm tailwheel.

I think you're right Jesse my bad. Ok how about trying the springs off your
float rudders?

From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:26:15 -0400

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Garry Wright]

The old springs are compression type which can break the arms on a Scott
3200 according to Wayne's note of a couple of years ago.

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 16:57 -0700, Jesse Jenks wrote:

I don't think he had any. He was using a single arm tailwheel.

From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:26:15 -0400

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Bob Patterson]

Hi Garry !

The 2151 Lightweight Spring kit is definitely NOT the one I have !
I cannot get the 06-00008 kit to display on the AS site right now -
don't know what the problem is -- so can't say if it's the good one.

My springs are about twice the diameter of the Lightweight ones,
and less than half the length .... They came directly from Scott,
a long time ago.

Scott were pretty definite that you must use their tension springs,
not the compression springs that worked so very well on the Murphy tailwheel.

--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 October 2006 10:05 am, Garry Wright wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Garry....let me find the bags in the morning. Is there a Princess Auto in
Calgary? They have a spring similar in size to what you need for a few buck
each that works well. The true Scott set comes with chains/quick clips etc
and the pair of springs has one spring with an extra 1/2 curl to avoid
harmonics. Not sure if I have the spring kit package still to get the # of
the one I have on my airplane that has served me very well also.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

The old springs are compression type which can break the arms on a Scott
3200 according to Wayne's note of a couple of years ago.

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 16:57 -0700, Jesse Jenks wrote:

I don't think he had any. He was using a single arm tailwheel.

From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:26:15 -0400

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote: If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Dale Fultz]

If the springs off of the Moose tail wheel will fit you can have the two I
have for the price of shipping..I don't need them on the trigear setup.
Dale SR-033
-----




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day Garry

For what it's worth I just used the standard MAM springs as supplied in my
kit and they work just fine.

Regards

Ian


:I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
: tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
: $44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
: tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
: Scott.
:
: Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
: the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
: associated with the 3200A???
:
: Garry
:
:
: : -----------------------------------------------------------------
:
:
:




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Garry Wright]

Drew,
The old springs are compression style. The cost of the arm is around
$200 if you break it like Howard did, so I don't want that risk.
Thanks

Bob,
Thanks for excluding the lightweight ones. That gets me closer.

Wayne,
There is a Princess Auto in Calgary. A good indication of the spring
type would be very helpful if you can find it. Thanks.

Dale,
Thanks. I imagine the Moose tailwheel you're referring to is a Murphy
design. I don't know but suspect it would be compression type springs
same as the Rebel so they would not do. Can you remember what style they
are?

Ian,
Thanks for your response. You should look in the archives at Wayne's
note dated 10/21/2004 on Scott tailwheels. If you are involved with any
soft ground or are inclined to punch the rudder hard at times, you could
be in for some difficulty with Murphy's springs on a 3200.

Garry

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 19:26 -0400, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Garry...Princess Auto's spring # is TE85 Spring. The # from bar code on
package is 0 59858 00085 4.

Worked really well on Howard's with the Scott 3200 last season on
wheels......as Bob P. has Howard's original Scott 3200 and Scott springs on
XWI.... no matter what Bob's memory states! LOL ;O)

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

Drew,
The old springs are compression style. The cost of the arm is around
$200 if you break it like Howard did, so I don't want that risk.
Thanks

Bob,
Thanks for excluding the lightweight ones. That gets me closer.

Wayne,
There is a Princess Auto in Calgary. A good indication of the spring
type would be very helpful if you can find it. Thanks.

Dale,
Thanks. I imagine the Moose tailwheel you're referring to is a Murphy
design. I don't know but suspect it would be compression type springs
same as the Rebel so they would not do. Can you remember what style they
are?

Ian,
Thanks for your response. You should look in the archives at Wayne's
note dated 10/21/2004 on Scott tailwheels. If you are involved with any
soft ground or are inclined to punch the rudder hard at times, you could
be in for some difficulty with Murphy's springs on a 3200.

Garry

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 19:26 -0400, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I am installing a Scott 3200 tailwheel on FOKM and am looking for the
tension springs. ACS offers P/N 2151 lightweight Spring Kit Scott for
$44.20 on page 244 of their catalog and also P/N 06-00008 Heavy duty
tension spring kit on page 242 for $19.90 - also associated with the
Scott.

Anyone know which is the proper one to coordinate with the strength of
the arm assembly? It looks like the heavy duty springs might be
associated with the 3200A???

Garry

If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

BTW...spring coil is 1" diameter x 1 7/8 long. Overall length with spring
hooks is approx 3 3/8"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

Garry...Princess Auto's spring # is TE85 Spring. The # from bar code on
package is 0 59858 00085 4.

Worked really well on Howard's with the Scott 3200 last season on
wheels......as Bob P. has Howard's original Scott 3200 and Scott springs
on
XWI.... no matter what Bob's memory states! LOL ;O)

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

Drew,
The old springs are compression style. The cost of the arm is around
$200 if you break it like Howard did, so I don't want that risk.
Thanks

Bob,
Thanks for excluding the lightweight ones. That gets me closer.

Wayne,
There is a Princess Auto in Calgary. A good indication of the spring
type would be very helpful if you can find it. Thanks.

Dale,
Thanks. I imagine the Moose tailwheel you're referring to is a Murphy
design. I don't know but suspect it would be compression type springs
same as the Rebel so they would not do. Can you remember what style they
are?

Ian,
Thanks for your response. You should look in the archives at Wayne's
note dated 10/21/2004 on Scott tailwheels. If you are involved with any
soft ground or are inclined to punch the rudder hard at times, you could
be in for some difficulty with Murphy's springs on a 3200.

Garry

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 19:26 -0400, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

At 08:05 AM 10/2/2006 -0600, you wrote: If your old springs aren't damaged why not try them first?
Drew



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day

Thanks for the response. I will have a look in the archives.


regards

Ian




:
: Ian,
: Thanks for your response. You should look in the archives at Wayne's
: note dated 10/21/2004 on Scott tailwheels. If you are involved with any
: soft ground or are inclined to punch the rudder hard at times, you could
: be in for some difficulty with Murphy's springs on a 3200.
:
: Garry




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day again

Now I am confused!

I will upgrade my springs from MAM to the proper Scott springs. But just
what spring set should I use?

Is ACS a good place to buy them?

Thanks and regards

Ian





: BTW...spring coil is 1" diameter x 1 7/8 long. Overall length with spring
: hooks is approx 3 3/8"
:
:
:




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Garry Wright]

Thanks Wayne. I'm sure I can get that here. Cheers.

Garry

On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 15:15 -0400, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

BTW...spring coil is 1" diameter x 1 7/8 long. Overall length with spring
hooks is approx 3 3/8"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

Garry...Princess Auto's spring # is TE85 Spring. The # from bar code on
package is 0 59858 00085 4.

Worked really well on Howard's with the Scott 3200 last season on
wheels......as Bob P. has Howard's original Scott 3200 and Scott springs
on
XWI.... no matter what Bob's memory states! LOL ;O)

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Scott tail wheel

Drew,
The old springs are compression style. The cost of the arm is around
$200 if you break it like Howard did, so I don't want that risk.
Thanks

Bob,
Thanks for excluding the lightweight ones. That gets me closer.

Wayne,
There is a Princess Auto in Calgary. A good indication of the spring
type would be very helpful if you can find it. Thanks.

Dale,
Thanks. I imagine the Moose tailwheel you're referring to is a Murphy
design. I don't know but suspect it would be compression type springs
same as the Rebel so they would not do. Can you remember what style they
are?

Ian,
Thanks for your response. You should look in the archives at Wayne's
note dated 10/21/2004 on Scott tailwheels. If you are involved with any
soft ground or are inclined to punch the rudder hard at times, you could
be in for some difficulty with Murphy's springs on a 3200.

Garry

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 19:26 -0400, Drew Dalgleish wrote:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[Garry Wright]

Ian,

With all the experience on the list we haven't yet figured out which
spring is the right spring. I checked a Citabria today and it had a pair
of matched springs, 1" diameter, 31 turns on each, no half turn, no
links or anything. I did not measure but it appeared to be about 6-7"
long. The darned thing seemed to fit okay and it was a strictly tension
spring. I am going to phone ACS tomorrow to see if I can confirm the
correct one that way. In any event, I'm sure the important points are no
possibility of bottoming as in a compression spring and roughly the
right spring constant. BTW, where are you in Oz?

Garry

On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 10:23 +1000, IAN DONALDSON wrote:

G'day again

Now I am confused!

I will upgrade my springs from MAM to the proper Scott springs. But just
what spring set should I use?

Is ACS a good place to buy them?

Thanks and regards

Ian





: BTW...spring coil is 1" diameter x 1 7/8 long. Overall length with spring
: hooks is approx 3 3/8"
:
:
:




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------