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[rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 am
by John Kramer
Ron,

I don't mean to be boorish but I don't want to be associated with
even a remote suggestion of calling what I'm building an LSA.

I am building an "Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft" that will
gross at 1320 lbs. It may be flown under sport pilot rules as it
will meet all the other criteria; it will also be legal for a
qualified pilot with medical to fly at night and above 10,000
feet. It grants me and all those who may own that plane after me the
ability to not only maintain, but modify.

If you persist in calling it an LSA directory, please take me off
your list. LSA also doesn't apply to those building to Canadian
rules. LSA is a very official term that has very specific
meanings. I feel it is risky to adopt official terms as common vernacular.

The "MURPHY LITE" directory kind of sounds like a beer ---- which is
not entirely inappropriate to this list.

John...369R


At 12:04 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
LAST CALL for the first edition of the Rebel LSA directory. I've had
several responses to the original suggestion (below) and am about to
compile the list. If you're building a Rebel LSA, or are just interested
in finding out who else is doing it, please send me an off-list direct
email reply by Wednesday, 8/9.

Thanks.

Ron
254R
http://n254mr.com


Ron Shannon wrote:
There has been quite a response already to the suggestion of putting
together a list of those who are building Rebels for lightweight LSA
specification, or interested in doing so. I thought I'd repost this with
a new subject line in case some may have missed it under the previous
"OSH Bound" thread subject.

If you're building to amateur built experimental LSA specs, or
interested in doing so, and would like to know who else is on that
track, please send a note to me direct (off list preferred) and I'll
compile a list and send it to those who respond.

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[rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 am
by Bill Maxwell
While I respect John's point of view I have a slightly vested interest in
seeing a list of Rebels specifically built to the USA LSA formula and
officially recognised as such. Once an LSA in the States, it becomes
eligible for LSA here in Australia too. That would then give us 4
alternatives, an ultralight under 544 kgs AUW, anLSA under 600 kgs AUW or an
Amateur Built but fully compliant or an Experimental.

Bill
753R
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kramer" <369R@kramers.org>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Ron,

I don't mean to be boorish but I don't want to be associated with
even a remote suggestion of calling what I'm building an LSA.

I am building an "Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft" that will
gross at 1320 lbs. It may be flown under sport pilot rules as it
will meet all the other criteria; it will also be legal for a
qualified pilot with medical to fly at night and above 10,000
feet. It grants me and all those who may own that plane after me the
ability to not only maintain, but modify.

If you persist in calling it an LSA directory, please take me off
your list. LSA also doesn't apply to those building to Canadian
rules. LSA is a very official term that has very specific
meanings. I feel it is risky to adopt official terms as common
vernacular.

The "MURPHY LITE" directory kind of sounds like a beer ---- which is
not entirely inappropriate to this list.

John...369R


At 12:04 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
LAST CALL for the first edition of the Rebel LSA directory. I've had
several responses to the original suggestion (below) and am about to
compile the list. If you're building a Rebel LSA, or are just interested
in finding out who else is doing it, please send me an off-list direct
email reply by Wednesday, 8/9.

Thanks.

Ron
254R
http://n254mr.com


Ron Shannon wrote:
There has been quite a response already to the suggestion of putting
together a list of those who are building Rebels for lightweight LSA
specification, or interested in doing so. I thought I'd repost this
with
a new subject line in case some may have missed it under the previous
"OSH Bound" thread subject.

If you're building to amateur built experimental LSA specs, or
interested in doing so, and would like to know who else is on that
track, please send a note to me direct (off list preferred) and I'll
compile a list and send it to those who respond.

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[rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 am
by Ron Shannon
John,

No problem. "Rebel Lite" works for me.

Ron


John Kramer wrote:
Ron,

I don't mean to be boorish but I don't want to be associated with
even a remote suggestion of calling what I'm building an LSA.

I am building an "Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft" that will
gross at 1320 lbs. It may be flown under sport pilot rules as it
will meet all the other criteria; it will also be legal for a
qualified pilot with medical to fly at night and above 10,000
feet. It grants me and all those who may own that plane after me the
ability to not only maintain, but modify.

If you persist in calling it an LSA directory, please take me off
your list. LSA also doesn't apply to those building to Canadian
rules. LSA is a very official term that has very specific
meanings. I feel it is risky to adopt official terms as common vernacular.

The "MURPHY LITE" directory kind of sounds like a beer ---- which is
not entirely inappropriate to this list.

John...369R


At 12:04 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
LAST CALL for the first edition of the Rebel LSA directory. I've had
several responses to the original suggestion (below) and am about to
compile the list. If you're building a Rebel LSA, or are just interested
in finding out who else is doing it, please send me an off-list direct
email reply by Wednesday, 8/9.

Thanks.

Ron
254R
http://n254mr.com


Ron Shannon wrote:
There has been quite a response already to the suggestion of putting
together a list of those who are building Rebels for lightweight LSA
specification, or interested in doing so. I thought I'd repost this with
a new subject line in case some may have missed it under the previous
"OSH Bound" thread subject.

If you're building to amateur built experimental LSA specs, or
interested in doing so, and would like to know who else is on that
track, please send a note to me direct (off list preferred) and I'll
compile a list and send it to those who respond.
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[rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 am
by apoulsen
Hi all

I think there is a bit of misunderstanding as to what it means to qualify
for light sport. It in no way changes the status of your amateur built and
all that that means. It just means that if you establish a gross weight of
1320 lbs or less it can be flown by someone with a LS license with those
restrictions.

As discussed here awhile ago, you or a subsequent owner can raise the weight
at a later time and take it out of the light sport category is you wish.

A Poulsen
786R


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kramer" <369R@kramers.org>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: LSA Rebel

Ron,

I don't mean to be boorish but I don't want to be associated with
even a remote suggestion of calling what I'm building an LSA.

I am building an "Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft" that will
gross at 1320 lbs. It may be flown under sport pilot rules as it
will meet all the other criteria; it will also be legal for a
qualified pilot with medical to fly at night and above 10,000
feet. It grants me and all those who may own that plane after me the
ability to not only maintain, but modify.

If you persist in calling it an LSA directory, please take me off
your list. LSA also doesn't apply to those building to Canadian
rules. LSA is a very official term that has very specific
meanings. I feel it is risky to adopt official terms as common
vernacular.

The "MURPHY LITE" directory kind of sounds like a beer ---- which is
not entirely inappropriate to this list.

John...369R


At 12:04 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
LAST CALL for the first edition of the Rebel LSA directory. I've had
several responses to the original suggestion (below) and am about to
compile the list. If you're building a Rebel LSA, or are just interested
in finding out who else is doing it, please send me an off-list direct
email reply by Wednesday, 8/9.

Thanks.

Ron
254R
http://n254mr.com


Ron Shannon wrote:
There has been quite a response already to the suggestion of putting
together a list of those who are building Rebels for lightweight LSA
specification, or interested in doing so. I thought I'd repost this
with
a new subject line in case some may have missed it under the previous
"OSH Bound" thread subject.

If you're building to amateur built experimental LSA specs, or
interested in doing so, and would like to know who else is on that
track, please send a note to me direct (off list preferred) and I'll
compile a list and send it to those who respond.

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