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Robert and Olga Johnson

[rebel-builders] Wheel landings

Post by Robert and Olga Johnson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:00 am

Ken and the group: I was having trouble being consistent with 3 point
landings until several years ago I had an AirCadet tow plane pilot show me
wheel landings in my Rebel 652 and I never looked back. Anytime on was
landing on hard surface (which was most of the time) I wheel landed and
would keep the tail up all the way to the taxi way. I found it much more
controllable with the bit of extra speed and rudder authority. Plus it also
got me off the active runway a little faster. (besides it looks cool to) Bob
J Rebel 192
Thank you everyone.

I have now decided that my landings are not getting better. The last one
was a 4 in 1 touchdown! Maybe it is time to try some wheel landings
since my 3 pointers are now also 3 bouncers ;(
Ken
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

Don't get me wrong Ralph....it is a skill in a tail dragger that you'd
better know how to do, how to use and when to use it. Pick a calm day Bob..
and run your airplane down the strip and lift the tail and keep it that way
the length of the strip with elevator (forward stick) and power. You should
be able to get to the point where you can keep it there with power,
elevator, brakes, be able to do the turn around at the end of the strip and
bring it all the way back. I can even hold mine in one place on the mains
only using brakes, elevator and power. This "skill" will come in really
handy when trying to turn around on skis in tight confines as well.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Baker" <rebaker@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift
the tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a
sight picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher
than you expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective
action. At the moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick
forward" enogh to kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
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[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Brian » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:17 am

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never 'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
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Mike Kimball

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Mike Kimball » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:17 am

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review. The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never 'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:17 am

No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never 'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At
the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
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Mike Kimball

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Mike Kimball » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:17 am

Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)

Mike

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G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:57 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never 'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At
the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

:O)... I do find it funny that in the USA an endorsement is needed for the
way airplanes originally came equipped! I also know there is a Grandfather
clause in the USA that you don't need this endorsement if you flew a
taildragger prior to the date this endorsement requirement was "brain
stormed" !


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:53 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:57 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the
required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for
the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never
'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift
the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At
the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
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eric.r

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by eric.r » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

I once checked out a new pilot in a Citabria, and he just couldn't get it
together. Two other instructors had tried, and I was asked for a third opinion.
I flew with him and then (on short final) told him I knew exactly what he was
missing: "The deductible is $1000, and I'm not going to touch the controls on
this landing." He landed safely, taxied to the ramp and cussed me out (we
aere close friends), but he did learn taildragger technique.
On 10/21/2006 9:01 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> :O)... I do find it funny that in the USA an endorsement is needed for the
-> way airplanes originally came equipped! I also know there is a Grandfather
-> clause in the USA that you don't need this endorsement if you flew a
-> taildragger prior to the date this endorsement requirement was "brain
-> stormed" !
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:53 AM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings
->
->
-> > Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)
-> >
-> > Mike
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> > Wayne
-> > G. O'Shea
-> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:57 PM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] wheel landings
-> >
-> > No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
-> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings
-> >
-> >
-> >> The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or
she
-> >> wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
-> >> FARs
-> >> do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
-> >> The
-> >> instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the
-> >> required
-> >> one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
-> >> is
-> >> no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
-> >> haven't
-> >> dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
-> >> instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for
-> >> the
-> >> endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of
the
-> >> instructor.
-> >>
-> >> Mike
-> >>
-> >> -----Original Message-----
-> >> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> >> Brian
-> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
-> >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> >> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings
-> >>
-> >> Ralph,
-> >>
-> >> I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
-> >> a
-> >> reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never
-> >> 'required'
-> >> as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
-> >> to
-> >> have in the tool box. Is this something new?
-> >>
-> >> Brian
-> >>
-> >> -----Original Message-----
-> >> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> >> Ralph
-> >> Baker
-> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
-> >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> >> Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings
-> >>
-> >> Bob,
-> >> In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
-> >> down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
-> >> was
-> >> concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift
-> >> the
-> >> tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
-> >> picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
-> >> you
-> >> expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action.
At
-> >> the
-> >> moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh
to
-> >> kill the lift and that is very little.
-> >>
-> >> Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
-> >> and
-> >> be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
-> >> Ralph Baker
-> >> (Wish we still had the Champ)
-> >>
-> >>
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Brian

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Brian » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

Probably need an endorsement for wheels in general since they usually are
flying floats or skis. :^)

Brian

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Kimball
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:54 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:57 PM
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No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never 'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

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Ralph
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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
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Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At
the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
(Wish we still had the Champ)



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S A

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by S A » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

FWIW the FAR 61.31 does spell out exactly what must be accomplished.

"(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such
landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures."


On 10/21/06, Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:
The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight
Review. The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.



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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

No ski endorsement up here...but you are correct. You can obtain your pilots
licence on floats...and in that case you do need to get a wheel endorsement
before flying same.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <Northernliving@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Probably need an endorsement for wheels in general since they usually are
flying floats or skis. :^)

Brian

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Kimball
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:54 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:57 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

No tailwheel endorsement exists in Canada ! :O)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight Review.
The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the
required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for
the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Brian
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Ralph,

I learned to fly in a J3, that was my first solo and subsequently I spent
a
reasonable amount of time flying it. Wheel landings were never
'required'
as part of the 'endorsement,' but I don't disagree that the skill is good
to
have in the tool box. Is this something new?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph
Baker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

Bob,
In my opinion wheel landing are a good skill to have in the inventory and
down here (USA) they are required for a taildragger endorsement. I too
was
concerned for a prop ding. Sit in the airplane and have a friend lift
the
tail until just before the prop would strike. That will give you a sight
picture of how high it has to be. You will find it is a lot higher than
you
expect and way past the point whre you would take corrective action. At
the
moment the wheels touch it is only necessary to "stick forward" enogh to
kill the lift and that is very little.

Do beware the balloon however if your sink rate at touchdown is to high
and
be ready to convert to a 3 point or go around.
Ralph Baker
(Wish we still had the Champ)



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S A

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by S A » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

PS.
Of course I that was US only.

Scott


On 10/22/06, S A <moose174@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW the FAR 61.31 does spell out exactly what must be accomplished.

"(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such
landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures."


On 10/21/06, Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:
The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or
she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight
Review. The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the
required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for
the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of
the
instructor.



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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

Ironically, and though I agree this is funny, Mike, if you first learned
to fly in tailwheels as a US sport pilot as I did, you _do_ need an
endorsement for tricycle gear, even though handling tricycle gear after
learning tailwheel technique is beyond easy.

After logging my first 110 hours all in tailwheels (undoubtedly the best
way to learn, IMHO) I finally got around to flying a nose wheel about
two weeks ago. During my first landing, I was, uh, alert. The next four
landings were... almost boring, even with a moderate crosswind. I could
see it would be easy to become lazy landing tricycle gear. With the CG
forward of the mains, the plane self-corrects a lot of sloppy flying. I
got the sport pilot tricycle endorsement in less than an hour. According
to my CFI, who specializes in tailwheel training, going the other way,
from tricycle to tailwheel, is likely to require 8-10 hours of dual for
most people.

Back to the main point, I agree that tailwheel skills (including wheel
landings) should only be learned through instruction from a good
tailwheel CFI. The best book I've seen is _The Compleat Taildragger
Pilot_, by Harvey S. Plourde. A good read, straightforward,
comprehensive. Highly recommended for anyone learning tailwheels.
Available via http://tinyurl.com/hr4w2.

Like others, I rarely do wheel landings now, though in good conditions,
I think they're fun. The only time a wheel landing seemed really useful
was once when the tower requested I do a short and fast approach, and
airspeed was still relatively high after more or less diving for the
runway. With a long runway, a wheel landing wasn't "necessary" but when
the situation presents itself... they are fun. :-)



Mike Kimball wrote:
Probably need a nose wheel endorsement though, eh? :-)

Mike

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Mike Kimball

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Mike Kimball » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

Well, whattaya know. So someone new to tailwheels will need to demonstrate
wheel landings, but someone like me with tailwheel time before the cutoff
never needs to show that I can do them.

Mike
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of S A
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:57 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] wheel landings

FWIW the FAR 61.31 does spell out exactly what must be accomplished.

"(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such
landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures."


On 10/21/06, Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:
The instructer providing the tailwheel endorsement decides what he or she
wants to see from their student before they endorse their logbook. The
FARs
do not spell out what is required AFAIK. Just like the Flight
Review. The
instructor can chose whatever he or she deems appropriate for the required
one hour of flight time and one hour of ground time. Also, AFAIK, there
is
no minimum amount of time required for the tailwheel endorsement. I
haven't
dug out the FAR/AIM in a while but I'm not even sure that it says the
instructer providing the endorsement has to fly with the candidate for the
endorsement. Of course I think that would be pretty irresponsible of the
instructor.



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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] wheel landings

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 am

At 06:34 PM 10/22/2006 -0800, you wrote:
Well, whattaya know. So someone new to tailwheels will need to demonstrate
wheel landings, but someone like me with tailwheel time before the cutoff
never needs to show that I can do them.

Mike
044SR
Never say never Mike What the FAA will let you get away with doesn't mean
your insurance comany won't screw ya by sending you out for more dual.
Drew



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