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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by Jesse Jenks
Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be pulled by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after a 12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse

From: gleeso <gleeso1@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:34:36 +1000

Having noted the recent posts re radial engines and also the turbine
Moose, I submit the following for your comments.

Death to the turbines!

"We gotta get rid of these turbines, they are ruining aviation.

We need to go back to big round engines.

Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from
"OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On
some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small
lady-like poot and start whining louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click,
BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two,
more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched
roar. We like that. It's a blokey thing. (read guy thing)

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you
can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention.
A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any
minute.
This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns.
Round engined planes smell like God intended flying machines
to smell.

I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go."

Regards
John
Rebel 804 Down Under
looking forward to meeting up with some of you blokes (guys) at Oshkosh





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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by apoulsen
I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse

From: gleeso <gleeso1@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:34:36 +1000

Having noted the recent posts re radial engines and also the turbine
Moose, I submit the following for your comments.

Death to the turbines!

"We gotta get rid of these turbines, they are ruining aviation.

We need to go back to big round engines.

Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from
"OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On
some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small
lady-like poot and start whining louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click,
BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two,
more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched
roar. We like that. It's a blokey thing. (read guy thing)

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you
can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention.
A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any
minute.
This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns.
Round engined planes smell like God intended flying machines
to smell.

I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go."

Regards
John
Rebel 804 Down Under
looking forward to meeting up with some of you blokes (guys) at Oshkosh





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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by Brian
True about the Boeing, - but I know several airline pilots that have
turbines for fun! I just flew a turbine powered Palitus P3 with a 777
driver a few weeks ago - for fun. That same pilot has a Strikemaster, a
Provost, and a turbine powered Baron conversion.

It all depends on the mission. For the low, slow, nostalgic flight, there
is nothing like a radial; they just have the cool factor. For comfort,
power, and cruise, the turbine has the sizzle.

-Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
apoulsen
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse

From: gleeso <gleeso1@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:34:36 +1000

Having noted the recent posts re radial engines and also the turbine
Moose, I submit the following for your comments.

Death to the turbines!

"We gotta get rid of these turbines, they are ruining aviation.

We need to go back to big round engines.

Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from
"OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On
some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small
lady-like poot and start whining louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click,
BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two,
more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched
roar. We like that. It's a blokey thing. (read guy thing)

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you
can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention.
A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any
minute.
This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns.
Round engined planes smell like God intended flying machines
to smell.

I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go."

Regards
John
Rebel 804 Down Under
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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by apoulsen
Hmmm... Guess I never made that pay grade

Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <Northernliving@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

True about the Boeing, - but I know several airline pilots that have
turbines for fun! I just flew a turbine powered Palitus P3 with a 777
driver a few weeks ago - for fun. That same pilot has a Strikemaster, a
Provost, and a turbine powered Baron conversion.

It all depends on the mission. For the low, slow, nostalgic flight, there
is nothing like a radial; they just have the cool factor. For comfort,
power, and cruise, the turbine has the sizzle.

-Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
apoulsen
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a
radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse

From: gleeso <gleeso1@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:34:36 +1000

Having noted the recent posts re radial engines and also the turbine
Moose, I submit the following for your comments.

Death to the turbines!

"We gotta get rid of these turbines, they are ruining aviation.

We need to go back to big round engines.

Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from
"OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On
some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small
lady-like poot and start whining louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click,
BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two,
more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched
roar. We like that. It's a blokey thing. (read guy thing)

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you
can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention.
A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any
minute.
This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns.
Round engined planes smell like God intended flying machines
to smell.

I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go."

Regards
John
Rebel 804 Down Under
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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by Bill Smith
At most (passenger) airlines that pay grade is gone forever....

On 6/18/06, apoulsen <apoulsen@comcast.net> wrote:
Hmmm... Guess I never made that pay grade

Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <Northernliving@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

True about the Boeing, - but I know several airline pilots that have
turbines for fun! I just flew a turbine powered Palitus P3 with a 777
driver a few weeks ago - for fun. That same pilot has a Strikemaster, a
Provost, and a turbine powered Baron conversion.

It all depends on the mission. For the low, slow, nostalgic flight, there
is nothing like a radial; they just have the cool factor. For comfort,
power, and cruise, the turbine has the sizzle.

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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by Charlie Starr
42 years of airline flying from DC-3 to B-747 and I can't afford to fill the
tanks on my Stinson much less buy a turbine ????. Wonder what airline and
what was he hauling?
Charlie Starr SR065

----- Original Message -----
From: "apoulsen" <apoulsen@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Hmmm... Guess I never made that pay grade

Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <Northernliving@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

True about the Boeing, - but I know several airline pilots that have
turbines for fun! I just flew a turbine powered Palitus P3 with a 777
driver a few weeks ago - for fun. That same pilot has a Strikemaster, a
Provost, and a turbine powered Baron conversion.

It all depends on the mission. For the low, slow, nostalgic flight,
there
is nothing like a radial; they just have the cool factor. For comfort,
power, and cruise, the turbine has the sizzle.

-Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
apoulsen
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing
up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a
radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be
pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after
a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse




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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by Jesse Jenks
Sure, fill it up with twentysomething stewardesses and let's go! I know I
know, those days are gone too. For one thing most of them are old and pissed
off, and for another thing half of them are boys.
Jesse
From: "apoulsen" <apoulsen@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:50:23 -0400

I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a
radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be
pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after
a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse

From: gleeso <gleeso1@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:34:36 +1000

Having noted the recent posts re radial engines and also the turbine
Moose, I submit the following for your comments.

Death to the turbines!

"We gotta get rid of these turbines, they are ruining aviation.

We need to go back to big round engines.

Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from
"OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On
some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small
lady-like poot and start whining louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click,
BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two,
more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched
roar. We like that. It's a blokey thing. (read guy thing)

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you
can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention.
A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any
minute.
This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns.
Round engined planes smell like God intended flying machines
to smell.

I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go."

Regards
John
Rebel 804 Down Under
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[rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 am
by apoulsen
As the saying goes---flying for the airlines used to be a good part time
job, now its a not so good full time one

Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Sure, fill it up with twentysomething stewardesses and let's go! I know I
know, those days are gone too. For one thing most of them are old and
pissed
off, and for another thing half of them are boys.
Jesse
From: "apoulsen" <apoulsen@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:50:23 -0400

I guess it depends why you're in the air that day.

If it's for fun, hard to beat a radial. If you need to get there nothing
compares with turbines (the more the merrier too).

You'll never meet an airplane pilot who wishes he could take the Boeing up
on his day off.

Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Radial Engines VS Turbines

Great post John,
I got a good laugh to get the day started. The irony is that "turbine
time"
is the holy grail for an aspiring professional pilot. As you say, a
radial
requires skill and a bit of magic to run it. Put two or more of them on
one
airplane and it's like running a preschool. You do get a sense of pride
and
acomplishment just by starting one. Honestly though, I'd rather be
pulled
by
turbines. When you're shooting an instrument approach at midnight after
a
12
hour duty-day, you don't want to mess with mixtures and cowl flaps.
You're right though, radials are way macho.
Jesse




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