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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Walter Klatt
OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all the
time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on mine
are all wrong...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:54 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne






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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
The rounded edge side has a different shine/look to it. Easy to detect once
you've been looking purposely. I started doing this years back after
disassembling airplanes and finding a nice round "cut me here" line the
diameter of the washers. This imbedded line is from the sharp edge of the
washer getting forced into the alum.

Wayne

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all
the
time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on mine
are all wrong...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:54 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or
possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a
right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share
that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne






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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Drew Dalgleish
OH NO now I gotta take my plane apart to check the washers and start all
over ;(




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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Jean Poirier
Hello Wayne

So evident after we know it.... Thanks for the info....
A happy Easter to everyone of you and to your familly!

Jean
Rebel 747R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

The rounded edge side has a different shine/look to it. Easy to detect
once
you've been looking purposely. I started doing this years back after
disassembling airplanes and finding a nice round "cut me here" line the
diameter of the washers. This imbedded line is from the sharp edge of the
washer getting forced into the alum.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all
the
time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on mine
are all wrong...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:54 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or
possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a
right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge
should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share
that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne






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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Ken
On the worst offenders you can often also feel the sharp edge on one
side of the washer. Some don't have much edge but others do. I have also
found a few bolts with bumps or edges under the heads. They need a more
careful inspection to catch but you will notice the scored aluminum
after removing one of them...
Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
The rounded edge side has a different shine/look to it. Easy to detect once
you've been looking purposely. I started doing this years back after
disassembling airplanes and finding a nice round "cut me here" line the
diameter of the washers. This imbedded line is from the sharp edge of the
washer getting forced into the alum.

Wayne


OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all

the

time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on mine
are all wrong...

Walter




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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by eric.r
Somebody needs to post the washer info on a Van's site, it will send those
engineer types into a frenzy ... maybe that was the cause of some structural
failures ... Just joking, but now I'll not put one upside down washer on any
aircraft (or sawhorse) again!
On 4/14/2006 6:02 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> The rounded edge side has a different shine/look to it. Easy to detect once
-> you've been looking purposely. I started doing this years back after
-> disassembling airplanes and finding a nice round "cut me here" line the
-> diameter of the washers. This imbedded line is from the sharp edge of the
-> washer getting forced into the alum.
->
-> Wayne
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:53 AM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers
->
->
-> > OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all
-> the
-> > time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on
mine
-> > are all wrong...
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> Wayne
-> > G. O'Shea
-> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:54 PM
-> > To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
-> > Subject: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers
-> >
-> > Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or
-> possibly
-> > automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I dont'
-> > give it a second thought anymore.
-> >
-> > It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a
-> right
-> > and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
-> > sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge
should
-> > always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp
edge
-> > will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share
-> that
-> > tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.
-> >
-> > Cheers,
-> > Wayne
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by eric.r
Great, now I will take every washer, nut, and bolt to the scotchbrite wheel
before installing them ... and maybe install every one with proseal type-A.
That's Proseal type-A, not Type-A installing Proseal!
On 4/14/2006 6:59 AM, klehman@albedo.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> On the worst offenders you can often also feel the sharp edge on one
-> side of the washer. Some don't have much edge but others do. I have also
-> found a few bolts with bumps or edges under the heads. They need a
more
-> careful inspection to catch but you will notice the scored aluminum
-> after removing one of them...
-> Ken
->
-> Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
->
-> >The rounded edge side has a different shine/look to it. Easy to detect
once
-> >you've been looking purposely. I started doing this years back after
-> >disassembling airplanes and finding a nice round "cut me here" line the
-> >diameter of the washers. This imbedded line is from the sharp edge of the
-> >washer getting forced into the alum.
-> >
-> >Wayne
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >>OK, Wayne, gotta ask this. Do you carry a magnifying glass with you all
-> >>
-> >>
-> >the
-> >
-> >
-> >>time in the shop? Yup, sad to say, but I guess 50% of the washers on
mine
-> >>are all wrong...
-> >>
-> >>Walter
-> >>
-> >>
->
->





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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Bring it over in the fall Drew...I'll do it at my hourly rate for ya! LOL

Maybe I should have posted this on April 1st instead! ;O)

Wouldn't get too worried about past asssemblies...just something to think
about as the builders trudge forward!

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

OH NO now I gotta take my plane apart to check the washers and start all
over ;(




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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Dave Ricker
LOL! And here I thought I was being extra fussy doing that. I've never seen it
in writing, do you know where it is?

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne

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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
You've now seen it in writting David. I've never seen it anywhere else but
here!


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

LOL! And here I thought I was being extra fussy doing that. I've never
seen it
in writing, do you know where it is?

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or
possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I
dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a
right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge
should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share
that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne

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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Dave Ricker
LOL! Now I've seen it all!

You sure this isn't 1 April?? ;o)

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
You've now seen it in writting David. I've never seen it anywhere else but
here!

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers
LOL! And here I thought I was being extra fussy doing that. I've never
seen it
in writing, do you know where it is?

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Realized while working away today I do something subconsciously (or
possibly
automatically is a better word). Guess I've been doing it so long I
dont'
give it a second thought anymore.

It may have been discussed here before, but you do realize there is a
right
and a wrong way to install a washer...right? They are punched out of a
sheet....creating a sharp edge and a rounded edge. The rounded edge
should
always go against the surface you are bolting together as the sharp edge
will cut into the alum and cause a stress point. Just thought I'd share
that
tidbit of knowledge on a slow Thursday night.

Cheers,
Wayne

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[rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:43 am
by N.Smith
Thanks Wayne - something else to look for as I trundle on !
Nig
745E

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Sent: 14 April 2006 17:08
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Bring it over in the fall Drew...I'll do it at my hourly rate for ya! LOL

Maybe I should have posted this on April 1st instead! ;O)

Wouldn't get too worried about past asssemblies...just something to think
about as the builders trudge forward!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Shop talk - washers

OH NO now I gotta take my plane apart to check the washers and start all
over ;(




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