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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am**

Food for thought - Can a new Canadian armature built 912 equipped Rebel be
sold in the US and registered as LSA, and what would be the requirement - 40
hours flown off ??? Bob J ( I like to build)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Baker" <rebaker@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Of course the 912 Rebel kit has been around a long time and meets the LSA
requirements. No question that it is a fine aircraft. However, it
appears that the US LSA market is not composed of kit builders. They are
demanding at a minimum a 51% kit that stretches the limits. The ELSA
which can be up to 99% built is not practical due to operating
limitations. While I can understand that MAM may not want to jump through
the SLSA (completed) hoops, they must produce a 51% kit and have builders
assist availab
le to participate in the market in my opinion.

Even more importantly, they have to put a completed aircraft out there
that a prospective buyer can see and touch.
Ralph Baker

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am**

Sorry guys -: If I had looked into the requirements sooner I would not have
asked. of course it can as long as it has a current Canadian flight permit.
Thanks - Bob J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert and Olga Johnson" <rjohnson18@cogeco.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Food for thought - Can a new Canadian armature built 912 equipped Rebel
be
sold in the US and registered as LSA, and what would be the requirement -
40
hours flown off ??? Bob J ( I like to build)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Baker" <rebaker@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Of course the 912 Rebel kit has been around a long time and meets the LSA
requirements. No question that it is a fine aircraft. However, it
appears that the US LSA market is not composed of kit builders. They are
demanding at a minimum a 51% kit that stretches the limits. The ELSA
which can be up to 99% built is not practical due to operating
limitations. While I can understand that MAM may not want to jump
through
the SLSA (completed) hoops, they must produce a 51% kit and have builders
assist availab
le to participate in the market in my opinion.

Even more importantly, they have to put a completed aircraft out there
that a prospective buyer can see and touch.
Ralph Baker

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am**

I also believe, thru Ralph Baker's input here before, that the aircraft can
never have been registered at a weight higher than the LSA allows as
well...or you can't put it into LSA !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert and Olga Johnson" <rjohnson18@cogeco.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Sorry guys -: If I had looked into the requirements sooner I would not

have

asked. of course it can as long as it has a current Canadian flight

permit.

Thanks - Bob J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert and Olga Johnson" <rjohnson18@cogeco.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Food for thought - Can a new Canadian armature built 912 equipped Rebel
be
sold in the US and registered as LSA, and what would be the

requirement -

40
hours flown off ??? Bob J ( I like to build)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Baker" <rebaker@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] 912 Rebel LSA

Of course the 912 Rebel kit has been around a long time and meets the

LSA

requirements. No question that it is a fine aircraft. However, it
appears that the US LSA market is not composed of kit builders. They

are

demanding at a minimum a 51% kit that stretches the limits. The ELSA
which can be up to 99% built is not practical due to operating
limitations. While I can understand that MAM may not want to jump
through
the SLSA (completed) hoops, they must produce a 51% kit and have

builders

assist availab
le to participate in the market in my opinion.

Even more importantly, they have to put a completed aircraft out there
that a prospective buyer can see and touch.
Ralph Baker

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am**

Wayne, et al, that's correct. An amateur-built experimental must never
have been registered with greater than LSA weight & balance maximum,
i.e., 1320 lbs. for single engine land airplane (ASEL).

BTW, on 3/23, after 58 hours in a Piper Cub, I passed my practical exam
(a.k.a. check ride) for a sport pilot ticket. By all reports, I'm the
first to do so training from scratch in either the San Jose or Oakland
FAA FSDO's -- quite a large area. Going through this process, including
having to work out interpretations of several FAR provisions --
including at least one that is clearly an error -- one does feel like a
pioneer. Sport plane trainer aircraft, instructors, FAR knowledge, and
yes, even examiners are all still in short supply. Would be happy to
confer off list with any others who may have questions about the process.

Ron
254R

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

I also believe, thru Ralph Baker's input here before, that the aircraft can
never have been registered at a weight higher than the LSA allows as
well...or you can't put it into LSA !

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