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C&P Kucera

Rebel firewall

Post by C&P Kucera » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:39 pm

Brian, you may be thinking of the bending moment of inertia? If the front
end of the fuselage were double the height then we could hang engines
actually 8X heavier and have the same stresses (cubic function for a box
shape). Moving the engine closer is a linear relationship as far as stresses
are concerned but even that helps when we are talking about 300 lbs hanging
out there.
Another thing that may be of interest is that there is a square relationship
in the momentum generated by vertical impact. If on a bad landing the impact
speed only doubles, the resulting inertial loads at the firewall will
quadruple!!! So bumpy landings and bumpy runways will have a big impact on
the life of the firewall and everything the engine hangs onto as well as
the landing gear...and the tail....and the wings....and my back!!!...and my
teeth (just kidding)....
I am practicing my landings.......and investigating engine weights......and
firewall beef ups.......

Paul Kucera

Rebel builder 453R



----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Cross <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: Rebel "652" Wing tanks

Hi There Folks

The thought that Bob expressed about moving the firewall back is a very
valid one when dealing with the heavy 0320 engines. A 3" movement does
not
sound like very much, but, if one were to do the stress analysis on it, it
means a great deal. I would have to double check my text books, but I'm
sure that the induced bending stresses in an overhung load such as this
goes
up the square of the distance away from the structure, i.e. double the
distance and you have 4 times the bending stress. In other words, a 3"
movement on a moment arm of about 27" will equate to a significant
reduction
in stress of the nose area. Will it be enough to prevent problems? So
far
so good in my case, but time will tell or should I say one of my bad
landings will tell!

That was a strong enough argument for me to move the firewall back. With
careful placement of the stick i.e. mounted centrally over the 2" cross
tubes as per the original design but with bent sticks to prevent it from
touching the dash, there is no difficulty at all with stick interference
or
forward visibility especially with the speed cowl which really improves
the
view over the nose. With this setup I am very happy with results. After
flying Cessnas, I feel I can see the whole world out front and the only
difficulty I have with the aircraft is to make it stop climbing!
(Seriously, until you get used to all the view over the nose).

Best Regards


Brian #328R

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David L. Tuck

Rebel firewall

Post by David L. Tuck » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:34 am

Hi all : Can anyone tell me what is the advantage is to moving the firewall
back for the 0320 install ? or should I leave it where it is? When I spoke
to Darryl M. at OSH this summer he said that I should move it back for the
0320.
Also what about the firewall mod that Wayne sells ? Should I get this mod?
Thanks alot.
Dave Tuck/Rebel#009
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Brad Hewlett

Rebel Firewall

Post by Brad Hewlett » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:55 am

Found another problem with finishing an old kit.
Went to install the firewall this week end and discovered that it is
aluminum.

Checked with Murphy and they confirmed that the old kits were shipped this
way. A new stainless steel firewall is $ 300.00

Anyone out there have a different solution. Possibly a stainless cover? if
so any suggestions as to thickness and type.

Thanks,
Brad (R-195)

Brad Hewlett
Saskatoon, SK
bhewlett@sasktel.net

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Doug Farrow

Rebel Firewall

Post by Doug Farrow » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm

Is the firewall that comes with the kit stainless steel ? ThanksDoug778R




Doug Farrow
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