Tools needed to build the Rebel

[pequeajim]

Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project. I am
wondering if you guys have any recommendations?

*** Items that I already have

WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
Large flat workbench ***
Storage shelves ***

REQUIRED TOOLS
Electric hand drill ***
Drill Press ***
Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
Sharp drill bits
Measuring tape (not metric)
Rules and square ***
Plum line ***
Level (Digital level ***)
Clecos ***
Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have right)
Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
Hack saw with fine teeth ***
Various clamps ***
Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***




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[Mike Betti]

See my website, I think I listed the tools recomended by some others in the
group. www.mikeselite.com
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project. I
am
wondering if you guys have any recommendations?

*** Items that I already have

WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
Large flat workbench ***
Storage shelves ***

REQUIRED TOOLS
Electric hand drill ***
Drill Press ***
Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
Sharp drill bits
Measuring tape (not metric)
Rules and square ***
Plum line ***
Level (Digital level ***)
Clecos ***
Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have right)
Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
Hack saw with fine teeth ***
Various clamps ***
Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***




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[Mike Rapoport]

I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a high
rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be (mine is
6000rpm).
an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
attachments seem to require three hands.
I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
various deburring tools
Dremel
Rotozip.
rivet removal tool
A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring a
bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than $1/lb!).
If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If you
don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.

100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
else.
floor mounted belt sander
Metal band saw
Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
bench grinder with deburring wheel
Noxin center punch
LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can assemble
things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in quantities
of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.

I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has been
worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor Freight
works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap and
work well too.

If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy the US
Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a 10%
discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can get
ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am not.

Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project. I
am
wondering if you guys have any recommendations?

*** Items that I already have

WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
Large flat workbench ***
Storage shelves ***

REQUIRED TOOLS
Electric hand drill ***
Drill Press ***
Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
Sharp drill bits
Measuring tape (not metric)
Rules and square ***
Plum line ***
Level (Digital level ***)
Clecos ***
Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have right)
Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
Hack saw with fine teeth ***
Various clamps ***
Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***




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[pequeajim]

Thanks guys... All good suggestions and I will check it out. I am taking
inventory of the stuff that I picked up tonight and trying to organize as
much as I can before I bring the Fuse and wings home.

On 11/13/2005 7:03 PM, rapopor1@ix.netcom.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a high
-> rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be (mine
is
-> 6000rpm).
-> an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
-> attachments seem to require three hands.
-> I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
-> various deburring tools
-> Dremel
-> Rotozip.
-> rivet removal tool
-> A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring a
-> bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than $1/lb!).
-> If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
-> dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
-> *exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If you
-> don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
-> fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.
->
-> 100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
-> *Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
-> cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
-> else.
-> floor mounted belt sander
-> Metal band saw
-> Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
-> bench grinder with deburring wheel
-> Noxin center punch
-> LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
-> Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can assemble
-> things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in quantities
-> of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.
->
-> I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has been
-> worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor Freight
-> works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap and
-> work well too.
->
-> If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy the
US
-> Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a 10%
-> discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
-> factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
-> semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can
get
-> ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am
not.
->
-> Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.
->
-> Mike
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
-> Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel
->
->
-> > Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project. I
-> > am
-> > wondering if you guys have any recommendations?
-> >
-> > *** Items that I already have
-> >
-> > WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
-> > Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
-> > Large flat workbench ***
-> > Storage shelves ***
-> >
-> > REQUIRED TOOLS
-> > Electric hand drill ***
-> > Drill Press ***
-> > Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
-> > Sharp drill bits
-> > Measuring tape (not metric)
-> > Rules and square ***
-> > Plum line ***
-> > Level (Digital level ***)
-> > Clecos ***
-> > Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
-> > Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have
right)
-> > Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
-> > Hack saw with fine teeth ***
-> > Various clamps ***
-> > Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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[Jesse Jenks]

I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces and 1.5
wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I don't have
to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for me. As
far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a bunch of
threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
Jesse

From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800

I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a high
rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be (mine
is
6000rpm).
an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
attachments seem to require three hands.
I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
various deburring tools
Dremel
Rotozip.
rivet removal tool
A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring a
bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than $1/lb!).
If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If you
don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.

100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
else.
floor mounted belt sander
Metal band saw
Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
bench grinder with deburring wheel
Noxin center punch
LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can assemble
things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in quantities
of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.

I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has been
worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor Freight
works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap and
work well too.

If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy the
US
Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a 10%
discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can
get
ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am
not.

Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project.

I

am
wondering if you guys have any recommendations?

*** Items that I already have

WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
Large flat workbench ***
Storage shelves ***

REQUIRED TOOLS
Electric hand drill ***
Drill Press ***
Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
Sharp drill bits
Measuring tape (not metric)
Rules and square ***
Plum line ***
Level (Digital level ***)
Clecos ***
Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have

right)

Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
Hack saw with fine teeth ***
Various clamps ***
Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***




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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I built my entire first Rebel with a cordless drill (Makita) and like you
say Jesse... more than satisfactory. Really nice when you're down the
tailcone and not dragging a hose either! If you've got a good supply of
spare batteries to keep going while batteries cool and then recharge why
drive your neighbours nuts. I use an air drill all the time now...but my
compressor is over in the hangar so I can't even hear it run when I'm in the
shop.

Doing a single airplane...you'll do just fine with a left and right hand
pair of snips. I could never go back to that with my carpal tunnel/
arthritic hands though at this stage and get lots of use from my 4 foot and
12 foot pneumatic shears.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces and 1.5
wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I don't

have

to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for me. As
far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a bunch of
threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
Jesse

From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800

I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a high
rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be (mine
is
6000rpm).
an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
attachments seem to require three hands.
I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
various deburring tools
Dremel
Rotozip.
rivet removal tool
A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring

a

bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than

$1/lb!).

If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If

you

don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.

100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
else.
floor mounted belt sander
Metal band saw
Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
bench grinder with deburring wheel
Noxin center punch
LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can

assemble

things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in

quantities

of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.

I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has

been

worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor Freight
works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap

and

work well too.

If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy the
US
Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a

10%

discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can
get
ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am
not.

Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my project.

I

am
wondering if you guys have any recommendations?

*** Items that I already have

WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
Large flat workbench ***
Storage shelves ***

REQUIRED TOOLS
Electric hand drill ***
Drill Press ***
Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
Sharp drill bits
Measuring tape (not metric)
Rules and square ***
Plum line ***
Level (Digital level ***)
Clecos ***
Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have

right)

Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
Hack saw with fine teeth ***
Various clamps ***
Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***




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[Jean Poirier]

I am building my firts (and probably the only!) Rebel. I have all drills
(electric, battery, air). For myself (and I have nothing to teach to
anyone else) there is just one drill: 1/4" capacity air drill with a little
3/16" air hose. Light, fast and cheap to buy. My 90 degree mini die
grinder and that drill will probably are so usefull...
I have a old/big/slow turning air compressor. Less noisy thant $700.00
price club new ones (and probably more tuff).

Jean
Rebel 747R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

I built my entire first Rebel with a cordless drill (Makita) and like you
say Jesse... more than satisfactory. Really nice when you're down the
tailcone and not dragging a hose either! If you've got a good supply of
spare batteries to keep going while batteries cool and then recharge why
drive your neighbours nuts. I use an air drill all the time now...but my
compressor is over in the hangar so I can't even hear it run when I'm in
the
shop.

Doing a single airplane...you'll do just fine with a left and right hand
pair of snips. I could never go back to that with my carpal tunnel/
arthritic hands though at this stage and get lots of use from my 4 foot
and
12 foot pneumatic shears.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces and 1.5
wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I don't

have

to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for me. As
far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a bunch
of
threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
Jesse

From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800

I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a
high
rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be
(mine
is
6000rpm).
an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
attachments seem to require three hands.
I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
various deburring tools
Dremel
Rotozip.
rivet removal tool
A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring

a

bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than

$1/lb!).

If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If

you

don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.

100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
else.
floor mounted belt sander
Metal band saw
Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
bench grinder with deburring wheel
Noxin center punch
LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can

assemble

things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in

quantities

of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.

I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has

been

worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor
Freight
works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap

and

work well too.

If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy
the
US
Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a

10%

discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can
get
ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am
not.

Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel

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[pequeajim]

Good ideas guys... Thanks

On 11/14/2005 9:47 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I built my entire first Rebel with a cordless drill (Makita) and like you
-> say Jesse... more than satisfactory. Really nice when you're down the
-> tailcone and not dragging a hose either! If you've got a good supply of
-> spare batteries to keep going while batteries cool and then recharge why
-> drive your neighbours nuts. I use an air drill all the time now...but my
-> compressor is over in the hangar so I can't even hear it run when I'm in
the
-> shop.
->
-> Doing a single airplane...you'll do just fine with a left and right hand
-> pair of snips. I could never go back to that with my carpal tunnel/
-> arthritic hands though at this stage and get lots of use from my 4 foot and
-> 12 foot pneumatic shears.
->
-> Wayne
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:45 AM
-> Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
->
->
-> > I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces and 1.5
-> > wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I don't
-> have
-> > to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for me. As
-> > far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
-> > Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a bunch
of
-> > threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
-> > Jesse
-> >
-> >
-> > >From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
-> > >Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800
-> > >
-> > >I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a
high
-> > >rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be
(mine
-> > >is
-> > >6000rpm).
-> > >an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
-> > >attachments seem to require three hands.
-> > >I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
-> > >various deburring tools
-> > >Dremel
-> > >Rotozip.
-> > >rivet removal tool
-> > >A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts requiring
-> a
-> > >bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than
-> $1/lb!).
-> > >If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of edge
-> > >dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides the
-> > >*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out. If
-> you
-> > >don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet metal
-> > >fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.
-> > >
-> > >100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast build)
-> > >*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
-> > >cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do something
-> > >else.
-> > >floor mounted belt sander
-> > >Metal band saw
-> > >Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
-> > >bench grinder with deburring wheel
-> > >Noxin center punch
-> > >LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
-> > >Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can
-> assemble
-> > >things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in
-> quantities
-> > >of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.
-> > >
-> > >I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then has
-> been
-> > >worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor
Freight
-> > >works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are cheap
-> and
-> > >work well too.
-> > >
-> > >If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools buy
the
-> > >US
-> > >Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and a
-> 10%
-> > >discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a metalworking
-> > >factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a mill.on
-> > >semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you can
-> > >get
-> > >ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I am
-> > >not.
-> > >
-> > >Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.
-> > >
-> > >Mike
-> > >
-> > >----- Original Message -----
-> > >From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
-> > >Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > > Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my
project.
-> > >I
-> > > > am
-> > > > wondering if you guys have any recommendations?
-> > > >
-> > > > *** Items that I already have
-> > > >
-> > > > WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
-> > > > Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
-> > > > Large flat workbench ***
-> > > > Storage shelves ***
-> > > >
-> > > > REQUIRED TOOLS
-> > > > Electric hand drill ***
-> > > > Drill Press ***
-> > > > Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
-> > > > Sharp drill bits
-> > > > Measuring tape (not metric)
-> > > > Rules and square ***
-> > > > Plum line ***
-> > > > Level (Digital level ***)
-> > > > Clecos ***
-> > > > Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
-> > > > Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only have
-> > >right)
-> > > > Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
-> > > > Hack saw with fine teeth ***
-> > > > Various clamps ***
-> > > > Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***
-> > > >
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[Jean Poirier]

Oups!

Someone say 100 silver clecos and 300 copper..... I have now 450 silver
ones and same amount of copper... and I am always "out of stock" I can't
imagine building a wing ( I am doing the second one) with a minimum of 400
silvers. With the basic tool kit I have received 250 of each and it is a
"basic" kit. 2 cents opinion

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Good ideas guys... Thanks

On 11/14/2005 9:47 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I built my entire first Rebel with a cordless drill (Makita) and like
you
-> say Jesse... more than satisfactory. Really nice when you're down the
-> tailcone and not dragging a hose either! If you've got a good supply of
-> spare batteries to keep going while batteries cool and then recharge
why
-> drive your neighbours nuts. I use an air drill all the time now...but
my
-> compressor is over in the hangar so I can't even hear it run when I'm
in
the
-> shop.
->
-> Doing a single airplane...you'll do just fine with a left and right
hand
-> pair of snips. I could never go back to that with my carpal tunnel/
-> arthritic hands though at this stage and get lots of use from my 4 foot
and
-> 12 foot pneumatic shears.
->
-> Wayne
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:45 AM
-> Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
->
->
-> > I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces and
1.5
-> > wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I
don't
-> have
-> > to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for
me. As
-> > far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
-> > Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a
bunch
of
-> > threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
-> > Jesse
-> >
-> >
-> > >From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
-> > >Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800
-> > >
-> > >I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need a
high
-> > >rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be
(mine
-> > >is
-> > >6000rpm).
-> > >an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
-> > >attachments seem to require three hands.
-> > >I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
-> > >various deburring tools
-> > >Dremel
-> > >Rotozip.
-> > >rivet removal tool
-> > >A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts
requiring
-> a
-> > >bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than
-> $1/lb!).
-> > >If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of
edge
-> > >dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides
the
-> > >*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out.
If
-> you
-> > >don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet
metal
-> > >fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.
-> > >
-> > >100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast
build)
-> > >*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
-> > >cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do
something
-> > >else.
-> > >floor mounted belt sander
-> > >Metal band saw
-> > >Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
-> > >bench grinder with deburring wheel
-> > >Noxin center punch
-> > >LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
-> > >Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can
-> assemble
-> > >things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in
-> quantities
-> > >of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.
-> > >
-> > >I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then
has
-> been
-> > >worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor
Freight
-> > >works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are
cheap
-> and
-> > >work well too.
-> > >
-> > >If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools
buy
the
-> > >US
-> > >Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping and
a
-> 10%
-> > >discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a
metalworking
-> > >factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a
mill.on
-> > >semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that you
can
-> > >get
-> > >ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as I
am
-> > >not.
-> > >
-> > >Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.
-> > >
-> > >Mike
-> > >
-> > >----- Original Message -----
-> > >From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
-> > >Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > > Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my
project.
-> > >I
-> > > > am
-> > > > wondering if you guys have any recommendations?
-> > > >
-> > > > *** Items that I already have
-> > > >
-> > > > WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
-> > > > Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
-> > > > Large flat workbench ***
-> > > > Storage shelves ***
-> > > >
-> > > > REQUIRED TOOLS
-> > > > Electric hand drill ***
-> > > > Drill Press ***
-> > > > Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
-> > > > Sharp drill bits
-> > > > Measuring tape (not metric)
-> > > > Rules and square ***
-> > > > Plum line ***
-> > > > Level (Digital level ***)
-> > > > Clecos ***
-> > > > Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
-> > > > Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only
have
-> > >right)
-> > > > Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
-> > > > Hack saw with fine teeth ***
-> > > > Various clamps ***
-> > > > Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
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[Mike Rapoport]

I cheated and bought the fast build kit!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Oups!

Someone say 100 silver clecos and 300 copper..... I have now 450 silver
ones and same amount of copper... and I am always "out of stock" I can't
imagine building a wing ( I am doing the second one) with a minimum of 400
silvers. With the basic tool kit I have received 250 of each and it is a
"basic" kit. 2 cents opinion

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel

Good ideas guys... Thanks

On 11/14/2005 9:47 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I built my entire first Rebel with a cordless drill (Makita) and like
you
-> say Jesse... more than satisfactory. Really nice when you're down the
-> tailcone and not dragging a hose either! If you've got a good supply
of
-> spare batteries to keep going while batteries cool and then recharge
why
-> drive your neighbours nuts. I use an air drill all the time now...but
my
-> compressor is over in the hangar so I can't even hear it run when I'm
in
the
-> shop.
->
-> Doing a single airplane...you'll do just fine with a left and right
hand
-> pair of snips. I could never go back to that with my carpal tunnel/
-> arthritic hands though at this stage and get lots of use from my 4
foot
and
-> 12 foot pneumatic shears.
->
-> Wayne
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:45 AM
-> Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
->
->
-> > I have used a Panasonic cordless drill to build the tail surfaces
and
1.5
-> > wings so far. I'm sure an air drill is better in many ways, but I
don't
-> have
-> > to run a monster compressor all the time which is a huge bonus for
me. As
-> > far as cordless drills go the Panasonic is great!
-> > Ditto on the angle attachment. I got one on ebay that came with a
bunch
of
-> > threaded bits. It is really a handy tool sometimes.
-> > Jesse
-> >
-> >
-> > >From: "Mike Rapoport" <rapopor1@ix.netcom.com>
-> > >Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Subject: Re: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:13 -0800
-> > >
-> > >I think that you will be unhappy with an electric drill. You need
a
high
-> > >rpm air drill, the faster the better and cleaner your holes will be
(mine
-> > >is
-> > >6000rpm).
-> > >an angle drill is not used much but when you need it... The angle
-> > >attachments seem to require three hands.
-> > >I found that a rivet spacing fan is invaluable.
-> > >various deburring tools
-> > >Dremel
-> > >Rotozip.
-> > >rivet removal tool
-> > >A 40" shear will save a lot of time. There are only a few cuts
requiring
-> a
-> > >bigger shear. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $399 (less than
-> $1/lb!).
-> > >If you use hand shears for everything you will have to do a lot of
edge
-> > >dressing and waste a lot of material. On some parts MAM provides
the
-> > >*exact* amound required and if you don't shear it you will run out.
If
-> you
-> > >don't buy a shear, try to work something out with a local sheet
metal
-> > >fabricator where you can use his shear on occasion.
-> > >
-> > >100 silver clecos, 300 copper, 100 black and 10 gold (for fast
build)
-> > >*Lots* of clanps of various sizes and types.
-> > >cheap aluminium angle to hold things in alignment while you do
something
-> > >else.
-> > >floor mounted belt sander
-> > >Metal band saw
-> > >Get the angled snips, it is easier to cut curves with them.
-> > >bench grinder with deburring wheel
-> > >Noxin center punch
-> > >LOTS of drill bits in #30 and #40
-> > >Buy 100 plain nuts in 10-32, 1/4-28, 5/16-24 and 3/8-24 so you can
-> assemble
-> > >things quickly without nyloc nuts. Note that buying hardware in
-> quantities
-> > >of 100 gets you a 20% discount at Aircraft Spruce.
-> > >
-> > >I have bought lots of tools for this project and every one of then
has
-> been
-> > >worth it. One tip I can give you is that the riveter from Harbor
Freight
-> > >works well and is very cheap! Their belt sander and band saw are
cheap
-> and
-> > >work well too.
-> > >
-> > >If you are going to be buying a lot of aircraft sheet metal tools
buy
the
-> > >US
-> > >Tool "membership card". It costs $20 and gets you free shipping
and
a
-> 10%
-> > >discount. I am fortunate that my hanger neighbor owns a
metalworking
-> > >factory and has a lathe and mill in his hanger. I also have a
mill.on
-> > >semi-permanant loan from someone. Any of these large tools that
you
can
-> > >get
-> > >ahold of will make life better even if you are not a machinist (as
I
am
-> > >not.
-> > >
-> > >Ebay is a good source of tools if you know what you need.
-> > >
-> > >Mike
-> > >
-> > >----- Original Message -----
-> > >From: <pequeajim@dcsol.com>
-> > >To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:38 PM
-> > >Subject: Tools needed to build the Rebel
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > > Here's a list of tools that I think I will need to work on my
project.
-> > >I
-> > > > am
-> > > > wondering if you guys have any recommendations?
-> > > >
-> > > > *** Items that I already have
-> > > >
-> > > > WORKSHOP SPACE: (My garage which can be heated.)
-> > > > Somewhat temperature controlled environment ***
-> > > > Large flat workbench ***
-> > > > Storage shelves ***
-> > > >
-> > > > REQUIRED TOOLS
-> > > > Electric hand drill ***
-> > > > Drill Press ***
-> > > > Bench Vice with aluminum grips ***
-> > > > Sharp drill bits
-> > > > Measuring tape (not metric)
-> > > > Rules and square ***
-> > > > Plum line ***
-> > > > Level (Digital level ***)
-> > > > Clecos ***
-> > > > Heavy duty riveter with interchangeable heads
-> > > > Good quality sheet metal snips, left hand and right hand (only
have
-> > >right)
-> > > > Hand files, flat half round and round, (smooth cut)
-> > > > Hack saw with fine teeth ***
-> > > > Various clamps ***
-> > > > Wrenches, ratchets, screwdrivers ***
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > >

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