The Murphy Builders Site

As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The
following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it straight:

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be conducted by
a team or teams of one person or several persons from this or several other
agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or person or persons have
tried or attempted to try to comprehend or understand any or all, in whole
or in part of one or more that one of the many Federal Aviation Regulations.
It is my duty as a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when
authorized, to act as the administrator, to ensure that any one pilot or
pilots or one person or persons that have or have appeared to have read any
one, or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations and understood any
one or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations, to initiate
appropriate action, which may include but not limited to an immediate
rewrite of the specific or multiple Federal Aviation Regulations, or require
you, pilots or person or persons to attend remedial instruction, which may
include classroom instruction, of the Federal Aviation Regulations until
you, the pilots or person or persons have any understanding of how to
function so that this agency or other agencys will never receive such a
letter or letters from anyone.

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this representative
of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to act as the
administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or persons are
available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him or
her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


It agctualy reads like this:

FAR 91.319(c) states, "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator in
special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft that has an
experimental certificate over a densely populated area or in a congested
airway. The Administrator may issue special operating limitations for a
particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings to be conducted over a
densely populated area or in a congested airway, in accordance with terms
and
conditions specified in the authorization in the interest of safety in air
commerce."

I interpret this as the Administrator having the authority to allow you to
do
this. Probably because some airports are so close to these areas that you
would not be able to get out of or land at the airport if the ammendment was
not issued??

On 11/8/2005 8:10 AM, sa@mwutah.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring it
on
-> list.
->
-> The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be flown
-> over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it depends on your
-> phase two operating limitation or something like that. For you guys
already
-> flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT have
the
-> restriction or does it depend on the examiner?
->
-> I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a certified
-> aircraft does??
->
-> Thanks
-> Scott
-> Moose 174
->





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The only thing I was able to understand in that letter was the "We are
here to help you" end of it. <grin>

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
George Coy
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:21 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The
following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it
straight:

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized,
to act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be
conducted by a team or teams of one person or several persons from this
or several other agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or
person or persons have tried or attempted to try to comprehend or
understand any or all, in whole or in part of one or more that one of
the many Federal Aviation Regulations. It is my duty as a representative
of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to act as the
administrator, to ensure that any one pilot or pilots or one person or
persons that have or have appeared to have read any one, or more than
one of the Federal Aviation Regulations and understood any one or more
than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations, to initiate appropriate
action, which may include but not limited to an immediate rewrite of the
specific or multiple Federal Aviation Regulations, or require you,
pilots or person or persons to attend remedial instruction, which may
include classroom instruction, of the Federal Aviation Regulations until
you, the pilots or person or persons have any understanding of how to
function so that this agency or other agencys will never receive such a
letter or letters from anyone.

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this
representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or
persons are available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him
or her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


It agctualy reads like this:

FAR 91.319(c) states, "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator
in special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft that
has an experimental certificate over a densely populated area or in a
congested airway. The Administrator may issue special operating
limitations for a particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings to
be conducted over a densely populated area or in a congested airway, in
accordance with terms and conditions specified in the authorization in
the interest of safety in air commerce."

I interpret this as the Administrator having the authority to allow you
to do this. Probably because some airports are so close to these areas
that you would not be able to get out of or land at the airport if the
ammendment was not issued??

On 11/8/2005 8:10 AM, sa@mwutah.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring
-> it
on
-> list.
->
-> The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be
-> flown over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it
-> depends on your phase two operating limitation or something like
-> that. For you guys
already
-> flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT
-> have
the
-> restriction or does it depend on the examiner?
->
-> I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a certified

-> aircraft does??
->
-> Thanks
-> Scott
-> Moose 174
->





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As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The

following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized,

to act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be
conducted by a team or teams of one person or several persons from this

or several other agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or
person or persons have tried or attempted to try to comprehend or
understand any or all, in whole or in part of one or more that one of

It is my duty as a representative of the administrator, or sometimes
when authorized, to act as the administrator, to ensure that any one
pilot or pilots or one person or persons that have or have appeared to
have read any one, or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations

and understood any one or more than one of the Federal Aviation
Regulations, to initiate appropriate action, which may include but not
limited to an immediate rewrite of the specific or multiple Federal
Aviation Regulations, or require you, pilots or person or persons to
attend remedial instruction, which may include classroom instruction,
of the Federal Aviation Re-gulations until you, the pilots or person or

persons have any understanding of how to function so that this agency
or other agencys will never receive such a letter or letters from

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this
representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or
persons are available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him
or her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


It agctualy reads like this:

FAR 91.319(c) states, "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator

in special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft
that has an experimental certificate over a densely populated area or
in a congested airway. The Administrator may issue special operating
limitations for a particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings
to be conducted over a densely populated area or in a congested airway,

in accordance with terms and conditions specified in the authorization
in the interest of safety in air commerce."

I interpret this as the Administrator having the authority to allow you

to do this. Probably because some airports are so close to these areas

that you would not be able to get out of or land at the airport if the
ammendment was not issued??

On 11/8/2005 8:10 AM, sa@mwutah.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring

-> it
on
-> list.
->
-> The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be
-> flown over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it
-> depends on your phase two operating limitation or something like
-> that. For you guys
already
-> flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT
-> have
the
-> restriction or does it depend on the examiner?
->
-> I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a
-> certified aircraft does??
->
-> Thanks
-> Scott
-> Moose 174
->





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As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The

following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized,

to act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be
conducted by a team or teams of one person or several persons from this

or several other agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or
person or persons have tried or attempted to try to comprehend or
understand any or all, in whole or in part of one or more that one of

It is my duty as a representative of the administrator, or sometimes
when authorized, to act as the administrator, to ensure that any one
pilot or pilots or one person or persons that have or have appeared to
have read any one, or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations

and understood any one or more than one of the Federal Aviation
Regulations, to initiate appropriate action, which may include but not
limited to an immediate rewrite of the specific or multiple Federal
Aviation Regulations, or require you, pilots or person or persons to
attend remedial instruction, which may include classroom instruction,
of the Federal Aviation Re-gulations until you, the pilots or person or

persons have any understanding of how to function so that this agency
or other agencys will never receive such a letter or letters from

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this
representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or
persons are available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him
or her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


It agctualy reads like this:

FAR 91.319(c) states, "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator

in special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft
that has an experimental certificate over a densely populated area or
in a congested airway. The Administrator may issue special operating
limitations for a particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings
to be conducted over a densely populated area or in a congested airway,

in accordance with terms and conditions specified in the authorization
in the interest of safety in air commerce."

I interpret this as the Administrator having the authority to allow you

to do this. Probably because some airports are so close to these areas

that you would not be able to get out of or land at the airport if the
ammendment was not issued??

On 11/8/2005 8:10 AM, sa@mwutah.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring

-> it
on
-> list.
->
-> The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be
-> flown over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it
-> depends on your phase two operating limitation or something like
-> that. For you guys
already
-> flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT
-> have
the
-> restriction or does it depend on the examiner?
->
-> I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a
-> certified aircraft does??
->
-> Thanks
-> Scott
-> Moose 174
->





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As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The
following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it straight:

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be conducted

a team or teams of one person or several persons from this or several

agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or person or persons

tried or attempted to try to comprehend or understand any or all, in whole
or in part of one or more that one of the many Federal Aviation

It is my duty as a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when
authorized, to act as the administrator, to ensure that any one pilot or
pilots or one person or persons that have or have appeared to have read

one, or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations and understood

one or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations, to initiate
appropriate action, which may include but not limited to an immediate
rewrite of the specific or multiple Federal Aviation Regulations, or

you, pilots or person or persons to attend remedial instruction, which may
include classroom instruction, of the Federal Aviation Regulations until
you, the pilots or person or persons have any understanding of how to
function so that this agency or other agencys will never receive such a
letter or letters from anyone.

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this

of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to act as the
administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or persons are
available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him or
her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

As a DAR's, we are acting as a representative of the administrator. The
following letter from a FAA official that I know ought to set it straight:

Mr. Coy,

As a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to
act as the administrator, a comprehensive investigation must be conducted
by
a team or teams of one person or several persons from this or several
other
agencys to ensure that you or several other pilots or person or persons
have
tried or attempted to try to comprehend or understand any or all, in whole
or in part of one or more that one of the many Federal Aviation
Regulations.
It is my duty as a representative of the administrator, or sometimes when
authorized, to act as the administrator, to ensure that any one pilot or
pilots or one person or persons that have or have appeared to have read
any
one, or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations and understood
any
one or more than one of the Federal Aviation Regulations, to initiate
appropriate action, which may include but not limited to an immediate
rewrite of the specific or multiple Federal Aviation Regulations, or
require
you, pilots or person or persons to attend remedial instruction, which may
include classroom instruction, of the Federal Aviation Regulations until
you, the pilots or person or persons have any understanding of how to
function so that this agency or other agencys will never receive such a
letter or letters from anyone.

At this time , appropriations are being requested to conduct a full
investigation in this matter and you will be notified by this
representative
of the administrator, or sometimes when authorized, to act as the
administrator. Ensure that you, the pilots, or person or persons are
available for an interview.

We are here to help you,

Acting Administrator


By the way, next time you see a FAA Ops or Maintenance person, ask him or
her "HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE?"


George Coy
President
Gesoco Industries Inc.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
TEL 802-868-5633
FAX 802-868-4465
Web Site www.gesoco.com
e-mail George@gesoco.com
Franklin County Airport (KFSO)

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Experimental operating limitations


It agctualy reads like this:

FAR 91.319(c) states, "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator in
special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft that has
an
experimental certificate over a densely populated area or in a congested
airway. The Administrator may issue special operating limitations for a
particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings to be conducted over a
densely populated area or in a congested airway, in accordance with terms
and
conditions specified in the authorization in the interest of safety in air
commerce."

I interpret this as the Administrator having the authority to allow you to
do
this. Probably because some airports are so close to these areas that you
would not be able to get out of or land at the airport if the ammendment
was
not issued??

On 11/8/2005 8:10 AM, sa@mwutah.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring it
on
-> list.
->
-> The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be
flown
-> over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it depends on
your
-> phase two operating limitation or something like that. For you guys
already
-> flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT have
the
-> restriction or does it depend on the examiner?
->
-> I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a certified
-> aircraft does??
->
-> Thanks
-> Scott
-> Moose 174
->





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A few of has been talking off list about this, thought I would bring it on
list.

The FAR's (US) state something about experimental aircraft can't be flown
over densely populated areas. But we have also heard it depends on your
phase two operating limitation or something like that. For you guys
already
flying what do your limitation read like? Is it consistent to NOT have the
restriction or does it depend on the examiner?

I've never heard of anyone not being able to fly anywhere a certified
aircraft does??

Thanks
Scott
Moose 174




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