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I wasn't going to bother with this considering how vocal I have been already
been over the years AGAINST sloshing your fuel tanks under any
circumstance...but after 3 weeks since I removed the bottoms off my
father-in-laws floats...and continuing to watch this stuff move around and
flow...I had to say something. Not saying anything would be criminal!!

Just scares the shit out of me knowing their are airplanes flying around
with this stuff in the tanks (this case Randolph- yellow 802) and unlike the
floats with nothing but water getting in them the fuel tanks have of course
fuel, solvents, possibly alcohol etc in them and the big difference is....
it's the contents of those fuel tanks that keep making that big meat cleaver
go round on the nose!! If you sloshing does this trick it's just a matter of
time before the ticking time bomb goes off, clogs a finger screen, oozes
down through and clogs a line/valve/gascolator/float needle valve.....you
get the picture!

This sloshing was done just like you would do a fuel tank. Poured in to each
compartment...rotated 3D x 360 degrees and poured back out..compartments
left open for weeks before putting them back into service....oh and the
really scary part.....this was done NINE (9) years ago!!!!!!

I don't make this stuff up guys...

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh.jpg

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh2.jpg

Cheers,
Wayne O'Shea





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I bought my Rebel kit from the original purchaser who had completed the
wings and Sloshed the tanks with Randolf 842 (?), the "alcohol resistnt
one". I didn't clean it out but have experience with the sloshing of my
Kitfox, which had to be removed several years later when I found it
delaminating from the tank service.

I use auto fuel and have had to use it containing alcohol types at times. It
has been 4 years and it is still ok, but I keep a close eye on it because I
know, as Wayne says, it is only a matter of time. I would never use the
stuff under any circumstance myself.

I soaked a piece of the aluminum, with the sloshing coated on it, in a glass
now for 4 years and it is starting to bubble. I can guess what I'll be
doing next annual.!!#*

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:59 AM
Subject: Sloshing - Caution

I wasn't going to bother with this considering how vocal I have been
already
been over the years AGAINST sloshing your fuel tanks under any
circumstance...but after 3 weeks since I removed the bottoms off my
father-in-laws floats...and continuing to watch this stuff move around and
flow...I had to say something. Not saying anything would be criminal!!

Just scares the shit out of me knowing their are airplanes flying around
with this stuff in the tanks (this case Randolph- yellow 802) and unlike
the
floats with nothing but water getting in them the fuel tanks have of
course
fuel, solvents, possibly alcohol etc in them and the big difference is....
it's the contents of those fuel tanks that keep making that big meat
cleaver
go round on the nose!! If you sloshing does this trick it's just a matter
of
time before the ticking time bomb goes off, clogs a finger screen, oozes
down through and clogs a line/valve/gascolator/float needle valve.....you
get the picture!

This sloshing was done just like you would do a fuel tank. Poured in to
each
compartment...rotated 3D x 360 degrees and poured back out..compartments
left open for weeks before putting them back into service....oh and the
really scary part.....this was done NINE (9) years ago!!!!!!

I don't make this stuff up guys...

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh.jpg

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh2.jpg

Cheers,
Wayne O'Shea





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If it's Randolph and the "alcohol free" it's white and goes by product
#912... if you have what I have under the bench....that was bought for
someones floats and never used.

Glad someone read it at least!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bgeorgen@peoplepc.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Sloshing - Caution

I bought my Rebel kit from the original purchaser who had completed the
wings and Sloshed the tanks with Randolf 842 (?), the "alcohol resistnt
one". I didn't clean it out but have experience with the sloshing of my
Kitfox, which had to be removed several years later when I found it
delaminating from the tank service.

I use auto fuel and have had to use it containing alcohol types at times.

It

has been 4 years and it is still ok, but I keep a close eye on it because

I

know, as Wayne says, it is only a matter of time. I would never use the
stuff under any circumstance myself.

I soaked a piece of the aluminum, with the sloshing coated on it, in a

glass

now for 4 years and it is starting to bubble. I can guess what I'll be
doing next annual.!!#*

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:59 AM
Subject: Sloshing - Caution

I wasn't going to bother with this considering how vocal I have been
already
been over the years AGAINST sloshing your fuel tanks under any
circumstance...but after 3 weeks since I removed the bottoms off my
father-in-laws floats...and continuing to watch this stuff move around

and

flow...I had to say something. Not saying anything would be criminal!!

Just scares the shit out of me knowing their are airplanes flying around
with this stuff in the tanks (this case Randolph- yellow 802) and unlike
the
floats with nothing but water getting in them the fuel tanks have of
course
fuel, solvents, possibly alcohol etc in them and the big difference

is....

it's the contents of those fuel tanks that keep making that big meat
cleaver
go round on the nose!! If you sloshing does this trick it's just a

matter

of
time before the ticking time bomb goes off, clogs a finger screen, oozes
down through and clogs a line/valve/gascolator/float needle

valve.....you

get the picture!

This sloshing was done just like you would do a fuel tank. Poured in to
each
compartment...rotated 3D x 360 degrees and poured back out..compartments
left open for weeks before putting them back into service....oh and the
really scary part.....this was done NINE (9) years ago!!!!!!

I don't make this stuff up guys...

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh.jpg

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh2.jpg

Cheers,
Wayne O'Shea





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Hi Wayne

For those of us that have bought used rebels what is the way to check to see
if the tanks have been sloshed. Also do you recommend it for the floats?

Ray

On 10/29/2005 10:59 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I wasn't going to bother with this considering how vocal I have been
already
-> been over the years AGAINST sloshing your fuel tanks under any
-> circumstance...but after 3 weeks since I removed the bottoms off my
-> father-in-laws floats...and continuing to watch this stuff move around and
-> flow...I had to say something. Not saying anything would be criminal!!
->
-> Just scares the shit out of me knowing their are airplanes flying around
-> with this stuff in the tanks (this case Randolph- yellow 802) and unlike
the
-> floats with nothing but water getting in them the fuel tanks have of course
-> fuel, solvents, possibly alcohol etc in them and the big difference is....
-> it's the contents of those fuel tanks that keep making that big meat
cleaver
-> go round on the nose!! If you sloshing does this trick it's just a matter
of
-> time before the ticking time bomb goes off, clogs a finger screen, oozes
-> down through and clogs a line/valve/gascolator/float needle valve.....you
-> get the picture!
->
-> This sloshing was done just like you would do a fuel tank. Poured in to
each
-> compartment...rotated 3D x 360 degrees and poured back out..compartments
-> left open for weeks before putting them back into service....oh and the
-> really scary part.....this was done NINE (9) years ago!!!!!!
->
-> I don't make this stuff up guys...
->
-> http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh.jpg
->
-> http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh2.jpg
->
-> Cheers,
-> Wayne O'Shea
->
->





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Ray...all you usually need to do is pop the filler caps, take a flashlight
and have a look around inside. Use a small mirror if you have too...but it's
usually evident right away on the filler necks. Randolph is usually Yellow,
or white. Another brand I've seen is Red.

Considering it never hardened in my F-n-laws floats in 9 years and coming
right down to it never really fixed his leaks either NO I don't recommend
it. Besides...there is no where in those 1800's of yours that you can't
reach with your hand to fix any leaks properly anyhow. It was the only
option on the Zenair floats as you can't get in them to seal them once
assembled. They don't even have access hatches...and hense why I have the
bottoms totally off them and refurbishing them properly. (sitting on a rock
pile in the Magnetawan River didn't help them much either !! LOL)

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <ray.mason@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: Sloshing - Caution

Hi Wayne

For those of us that have bought used rebels what is the way to check to

see

if the tanks have been sloshed. Also do you recommend it for the floats?

Ray

On 10/29/2005 10:59 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I wasn't going to bother with this considering how vocal I have been
already
-> been over the years AGAINST sloshing your fuel tanks under any
-> circumstance...but after 3 weeks since I removed the bottoms off my
-> father-in-laws floats...and continuing to watch this stuff move around

and

-> flow...I had to say something. Not saying anything would be criminal!!
->
-> Just scares the shit out of me knowing their are airplanes flying

around

-> with this stuff in the tanks (this case Randolph- yellow 802) and

unlike

the
-> floats with nothing but water getting in them the fuel tanks have of

course

-> fuel, solvents, possibly alcohol etc in them and the big difference

is....

-> it's the contents of those fuel tanks that keep making that big meat
cleaver
-> go round on the nose!! If you sloshing does this trick it's just a

matter

of
-> time before the ticking time bomb goes off, clogs a finger screen,

oozes

-> down through and clogs a line/valve/gascolator/float needle

valve.....you

-> get the picture!
->
-> This sloshing was done just like you would do a fuel tank. Poured in to
each
-> compartment...rotated 3D x 360 degrees and poured back

out..compartments

-> left open for weeks before putting them back into service....oh and the
-> really scary part.....this was done NINE (9) years ago!!!!!!
->
-> I don't make this stuff up guys...
->
-> http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh.jpg
->
-> http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/slosh2.jpg
->
-> Cheers,
-> Wayne O'Shea
->
->





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