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One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour

a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6-8. The
guy I am buying the Rebel from tells me that the distance between the

of the wheels on spring gear is more than this.

SO, I want to take the spring gear off and put the rebel on a box dolly
strapped under where the spring gear normally are. Then I can roll the

right up into the enclosed trailer.

Have any of you guys done this sort of thing?




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One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour

a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:12 am, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:

One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour

a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck

then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or

miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown

smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for

or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck
and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or
7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown
(or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for
6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat
bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged
or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down
to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock
on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be
"one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them +
more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied
down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges
pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I
don't
see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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