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Rebel - cowls

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Ben !

You were right! The standard cowl for the Rebel is a fiberglass
nosebowl, with aluminum sides, usually made in "4 door" style, for
ease of access for daily inspection & maintenance. Ideally, the
nosebowl is split, also, so you can change alternator belts without
removing the prop.

In recent years, many builders have opted for the all-fiberglass
"speed cowl" - a mis-nomer, as it makes no difference to speed, but
looks fast ! ;-) It also makes inspection and maintenance more of
a pain than a 4 door aluminum cowl, and generally requires some
modification to give good cooling .... I replaced mine with a nice
4 door metal cowl last year ! :-)

I only know of one Murphy aircraft that had an all-metal cowl -
the formed aluminum nosebowl was a work of art (actually, Nigel .. ;-) )
It was beautiful, but VERY time consuming to make, so not really a
practical choice.

Not really sure if there's much weight difference, but the
aluminum wins hands down for ease of maintenance, and it's probably
easier to install, and a bit more rugged ....

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 04:42 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
I take it then that aluminum isn't the norm for cowls? Surprise to me.
What
is the usual?
-Ben/ 496R
Lightweight starter, nippondenso alternator, and a composite prop are the
biggies. You can also save weight on your exhaust, electronic ignotion
instead of mags and use an aluminum cowl.
Drew

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Rebel - cowls

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
....and that all aluminum cowl used to be on yours when it sported that
Crossflow Sub' that became a dock anchor!

As for changing an alternator belt without removing the
prop/flywheel/etc...I'd like to see that unless you have a spare tied up out
of the way! :O)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Rebel - cowls

Hi Ben !

You were right! The standard cowl for the Rebel is a fiberglass
nosebowl, with aluminum sides, usually made in "4 door" style, for
ease of access for daily inspection & maintenance. Ideally, the
nosebowl is split, also, so you can change alternator belts without
removing the prop.

In recent years, many builders have opted for the all-fiberglass
"speed cowl" - a mis-nomer, as it makes no difference to speed, but
looks fast ! ;-) It also makes inspection and maintenance more of
a pain than a 4 door aluminum cowl, and generally requires some
modification to give good cooling .... I replaced mine with a nice
4 door metal cowl last year ! :-)

I only know of one Murphy aircraft that had an all-metal cowl -
the formed aluminum nosebowl was a work of art (actually, Nigel .. ;-) )
It was beautiful, but VERY time consuming to make, so not really a
practical choice.

Not really sure if there's much weight difference, but the
aluminum wins hands down for ease of maintenance, and it's probably
easier to install, and a bit more rugged ....

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 04:42 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
I take it then that aluminum isn't the norm for cowls? Surprise to me.
What
is the usual?
-Ben/ 496R
Lightweight starter, nippondenso alternator, and a composite prop are
the
biggies. You can also save weight on your exhaust, electronic ignotion
instead of mags and use an aluminum cowl.
Drew

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Rebel - cowls

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Bob Patterson
Forgot about that one - did it survive, or is it 'sleeping with
the fishes' ??? :-) If it did, then there are TWO all-aluminum
cowls out there !

"spare tied up out of the way" - Doesn't everybody ??!! ;-)
Guess I should have taken the belt, and said "alternator" !! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 11:18 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
....and that all aluminum cowl used to be on yours when it sported that
Crossflow Sub' that became a dock anchor!

As for changing an alternator belt without removing the
prop/flywheel/etc...I'd like to see that unless you have a spare tied up
out
of the way! :O)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Rebel - cowls

Hi Ben !

You were right! The standard cowl for the Rebel is a fiberglass
nosebowl, with aluminum sides, usually made in "4 door" style, for
ease of access for daily inspection & maintenance. Ideally, the
nosebowl is split, also, so you can change alternator belts without
removing the prop.

In recent years, many builders have opted for the all-fiberglass
"speed cowl" - a mis-nomer, as it makes no difference to speed, but
looks fast ! ;-) It also makes inspection and maintenance more of
a pain than a 4 door aluminum cowl, and generally requires some
modification to give good cooling .... I replaced mine with a nice
4 door metal cowl last year ! :-)

I only know of one Murphy aircraft that had an all-metal cowl -
the formed aluminum nosebowl was a work of art (actually, Nigel .. ;-) )
It was beautiful, but VERY time consuming to make, so not really a
practical choice.

Not really sure if there's much weight difference, but the
aluminum wins hands down for ease of maintenance, and it's probably
easier to install, and a bit more rugged ....

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 04:42 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
I take it then that aluminum isn't the norm for cowls? Surprise to
me.
What
is the usual?
-Ben/ 496R
the
ignotion

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Rebel - cowls

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
I think Forest got it.

As for the spare belt tied out of the way...figure it wouldn't be much
better than the one that let go by the time enough years go by to need it.
Also when tied out of the way it gets deformed so may just track itself
right off the flywheel...but may very well get you home in a pinch.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel - cowls

Forgot about that one - did it survive, or is it 'sleeping with
the fishes' ??? :-) If it did, then there are TWO all-aluminum
cowls out there !

"spare tied up out of the way" - Doesn't everybody ??!! ;-)
Guess I should have taken the belt, and said "alternator" !! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 11:18 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
....and that all aluminum cowl used to be on yours when it sported that
Crossflow Sub' that became a dock anchor!

As for changing an alternator belt without removing the
prop/flywheel/etc...I'd like to see that unless you have a spare tied up
out
of the way! :O)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Rebel - cowls

Hi Ben !

You were right! The standard cowl for the Rebel is a fiberglass
nosebowl, with aluminum sides, usually made in "4 door" style, for
ease of access for daily inspection & maintenance. Ideally, the
nosebowl is split, also, so you can change alternator belts without
removing the prop.

In recent years, many builders have opted for the all-fiberglass
"speed cowl" - a mis-nomer, as it makes no difference to speed, but
looks fast ! ;-) It also makes inspection and maintenance more of
a pain than a 4 door aluminum cowl, and generally requires some
modification to give good cooling .... I replaced mine with a nice
4 door metal cowl last year ! :-)

I only know of one Murphy aircraft that had an all-metal cowl -
the formed aluminum nosebowl was a work of art (actually, Nigel ..
;-) )
It was beautiful, but VERY time consuming to make, so not really a
practical choice.

Not really sure if there's much weight difference, but the
aluminum wins hands down for ease of maintenance, and it's probably
easier to install, and a bit more rugged ....

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 04:42 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
me.
What
are
the
ignotion

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Jesse Jenks
I have seen several aluminum nose bowls in ASS and others. Has anyone tried
these?
Jesse
From: Bob Patterson <beep@sympatico.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Rebel - cowls
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:46:51 -0400

Forgot about that one - did it survive, or is it 'sleeping with
the fishes' ??? :-) If it did, then there are TWO all-aluminum
cowls out there !

"spare tied up out of the way" - Doesn't everybody ??!! ;-)
Guess I should have taken the belt, and said "alternator" !! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 11:18 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
....and that all aluminum cowl used to be on yours when it sported that
Crossflow Sub' that became a dock anchor!

As for changing an alternator belt without removing the
prop/flywheel/etc...I'd like to see that unless you have a spare tied up
out
of the way! :O)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Rebel - cowls

Hi Ben !

You were right! The standard cowl for the Rebel is a fiberglass
nosebowl, with aluminum sides, usually made in "4 door" style, for
ease of access for daily inspection & maintenance. Ideally, the
nosebowl is split, also, so you can change alternator belts without
removing the prop.

In recent years, many builders have opted for the all-fiberglass
"speed cowl" - a mis-nomer, as it makes no difference to speed, but
looks fast ! ;-) It also makes inspection and maintenance more of
a pain than a 4 door aluminum cowl, and generally requires some
modification to give good cooling .... I replaced mine with a nice
4 door metal cowl last year ! :-)

I only know of one Murphy aircraft that had an all-metal cowl -
the formed aluminum nosebowl was a work of art (actually, Nigel .. ;-)
)
It was beautiful, but VERY time consuming to make, so not really a
practical choice.

Not really sure if there's much weight difference, but the
aluminum wins hands down for ease of maintenance, and it's probably
easier to install, and a bit more rugged ....

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 01 October 2005 04:42 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
me.
What
are
the
ignotion

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm
by Drew Dalgleish
At 04:46 PM 10/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Forgot about that one - did it survive, or is it 'sleeping with
the fishes' ??? :-) If it did, then there are TWO all-aluminum
cowls out there !

"spare tied up out of the way" - Doesn't everybody ??!! ;-)
Guess I should have taken the belt, and said "alternator" !! :-)

.....bobp
You can make that 3 Bob. I'm using an aluminum nosebowl off a tri-pacer.
Drew





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