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Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

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Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
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Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
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bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round

now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

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Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window =
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round

ones,

now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window =
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round

ones,

now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round

ones,

now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door
/
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E



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Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round

ones,

now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door
/
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

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Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use

for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't

it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for

windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior

install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used

one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of

with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or

lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for

=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel

window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before

cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements

locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door

is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

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Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Subject: RE: Window placement



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Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use

something

for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't

stock

it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for

the

windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior

to

install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used

for

one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of

sealant

with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or

side/roof

lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

window

with

I

to

window

door

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Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use

something

for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't

stock

it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for

the

windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior

to

install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has

to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used

for

one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows

the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent

after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of

sealant

with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or

side/roof

lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Subject: RE: Window placement

window

with

I

to

window

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Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use

something

for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't

stock

it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for

the

windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior

to

install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has

to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used

for

one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows

the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent

after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of

sealant

with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or

side/roof

lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Subject: RE: Window placement

window

with

I

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Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel
with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements
to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said: ones,
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