The Murphy Builders Site

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring gear
and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve the
problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it from
the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this installed.
What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:

I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring gear
and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve

the

problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it from
the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this installed.
What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Jim, like Drew said if you see fussing about the spring gear on the Moose it
is completely different than the Rebel - at least what I can tell from the
pictures.

The Rebel looks to be a one piece unit with radius blocks. It should be a
much better set up than what we have on the Moose - depending on the beef of
the structure that the radius blocks mount into of course.

The Moose has two separate gear legs.

FWIW
Scott
Moose 174

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Dalgleish
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:33 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:

I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring gear

and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve

the

problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it from
the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this installed.

What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining
ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Jim,

Spring gear will not effect your floats. I had spring gear before adding the amphips with out a problem. Make sure your spring gear has the mod MAM put out several years ago. You can find it on their web site. It consist of two pieces of 2" aluminum angle that reinforces and caps the carry through the gear are attached to. It is and easy install if you doesn't have it, but they are a must.

I had no problem with the SG on a dirt strip where I fly out of but never took it in fields like I would my Kitfox. And I would not use by choice but the partially assembled kit I bought came with the SG. Wayne makes a better gear if you don't like the factory bungee.

Bruce

________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Sorry Scott - the Rebel spring gear is 2 separate legs, held on
by 3 bolts - it makes the Moose gear look positively sturdy and
massive !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 11:06 pm, Scott Aldrich wrote:

Jim, like Drew said if you see fussing about the spring gear on the Moose

it

is completely different than the Rebel - at least what I can tell from the
pictures.

The Rebel looks to be a one piece unit with radius blocks. It should be a
much better set up than what we have on the Moose - depending on the beef

of

the structure that the radius blocks mount into of course.

The Moose has two separate gear legs.

FWIW
Scott
Moose 174

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Dalgleish
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:33 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring

gear

and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve
the
problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it

from

the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this

installed.

What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining
ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Bummer, I couldn't tell from the picture, it looked like it went flat and
across.

The Grove main gear may be the way to go on the Moose someday, unless MAM
comes up with something better.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Sorry Scott - the Rebel spring gear is 2 separate legs, held on
by 3 bolts - it makes the Moose gear look positively sturdy and
massive !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 11:06 pm, Scott Aldrich wrote:

Jim, like Drew said if you see fussing about the spring gear on the Moose

it

is completely different than the Rebel - at least what I can tell from the
pictures.

The Rebel looks to be a one piece unit with radius blocks. It should be a
much better set up than what we have on the Moose - depending on the beef

of

the structure that the radius blocks mount into of course.

The Moose has two separate gear legs.

FWIW
Scott
Moose 174

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Dalgleish
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:33 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring

gear

and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of

reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve
the
problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp

because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it

from

the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this

installed.

What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining
ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

How many pictures do you want to see Drew???..and how many gear legs do you
think I've collected under my work bench to use as forks for my tractor
bucket?? Takes nothing more than a windrow of snow to remove them from the
plane.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring

gear

and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this solve
the
problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it

from

the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this

installed.

What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining

ploy.

Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

I haven't been following this the gear issue much and don't know much about
it. My Elite has the solid gear legs in the kit. Are these what I'm hearing
bad things about? Is there something else out there I can purchase that
would work better for the Elite?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

How many pictures do you want to see Drew???..and how many gear legs do
you
think I've collected under my work bench to use as forks for my tractor
bucket?? Takes nothing more than a windrow of snow to remove them from the
plane.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
I searched back in the archives for information about using the spring
gear
and it seems that most folks are not choosing this option for a couple
of
reasons.

Failure issues with service out of rough fields.
Complexity when using floats (putting them on and off)

The airplane that I am looking at already has the spring gear installed.

I know there are some mods to reinforce the gear, but but does this
solve
the
problems that people are seeing? Is the main reason for not using the
sp
because of the float issue?

I will primarly fly off of grass and a paved surface, not water for now.

I now that this has been talked about a lot, but I want to look at it
from
the perspective of a buyer of an airplane that already has this
installed.
What am I getting myself in to?

Jim!

Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't
put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular is
because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over and
the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders if
any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I think
most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel
spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were
pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be a
deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining
ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

Guess you are kinda stuck on the Elite..unless of course you modify the
floor bulkheads for drag brace pic ups... to convert it to the cub style
gear of the Rebel. Other than that, solid block inserts for the saddle bolts
inside the 2" square tubes...attention to detail on floor layering and I
would be temped to use metal vs alum for that reinforcing angle in the MAM
'"fix" to negate pull thru.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

I haven't been following this the gear issue much and don't know much

about

it. My Elite has the solid gear legs in the kit. Are these what I'm

hearing

bad things about? Is there something else out there I can purchase that
would work better for the Elite?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

How many pictures do you want to see Drew???..and how many gear legs do
you
think I've collected under my work bench to use as forks for my tractor
bucket?? Takes nothing more than a windrow of snow to remove them from

the

plane.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

At 03:29 AM 9/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
gear

installed.

the

now.

from
installed.
Hi Jim I just have the regular gear with the die spring mod so don't
put
too much weight on my opinions. The spring gear wasn't available when I
bought my kit #247 so you can see one of the reasons it's not popular

is

because it wasn't available. There's quite a few mods to change over

and

the only advantage is a slightly faster cruise so I think few builders

if

any builders have flown the same plane on both gears. The main
disadvantages are incresed build time and reduced usefull load. Read
carefully about the spring gear failures you see in the archives I

think

most of them are on moose' and maybe elites. I can't recall a rebel
spring
gear failure. A grass strip is not a rough field. You said you were
pumped
about this plane. I think the fact it has the spring gear should not be

a

deal breaker or even a factor unless you want to use it as a bargaining
ploy.
Drew

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

Thanks,
I'm not familiar enough to start engineering new gear so I will stick with
the MAM setup. Most runways I frequent are in good shape.
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Guess you are kinda stuck on the Elite..unless of course you modify the
floor bulkheads for drag brace pic ups... to convert it to the cub style
gear of the Rebel. Other than that, solid block inserts for the saddle
bolts
inside the 2" square tubes...attention to detail on floor layering and I
would be temped to use metal vs alum for that reinforcing angle in the MAM
'"fix" to negate pull thru.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

I haven't been following this the gear issue much and don't know much
about
it. My Elite has the solid gear legs in the kit. Are these what I'm
hearing
bad things about? Is there something else out there I can purchase that
would work better for the Elite?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

How many pictures do you want to see Drew???..and how many gear legs do
you
think I've collected under my work bench to use as forks for my tractor
bucket?? Takes nothing more than a windrow of snow to remove them from
the
plane.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

gear
installed.
now.
from installed.
is
and
if
think
a
ploy.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

Hi again Mike !

It would be well worth your time to have a peek in the archives -
it won't take you long to machine up solid aluminum inserts to go
inside those square tubes ---- it's not just the smooth runways,
you have to worry about braking loadings too ! ;-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 12 September 2005 09:40 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

Thanks,
I'm not familiar enough to start engineering new gear so I will stick with
the MAM setup. Most runways I frequent are in good shape.
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Guess you are kinda stuck on the Elite..unless of course you modify the
floor bulkheads for drag brace pic ups... to convert it to the cub style
gear of the Rebel. Other than that, solid block inserts for the saddle
bolts
inside the 2" square tubes...attention to detail on floor layering and I
would be temped to use metal vs alum for that reinforcing angle in the

MAM

'"fix" to negate pull thru.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

I haven't been following this the gear issue much and don't know much
about
it. My Elite has the solid gear legs in the kit. Are these what I'm
hearing
bad things about? Is there something else out there I can purchase that
would work better for the Elite?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

do

tractor

from

the
installed.
now.

it

don't

when

popular

is
and

builders

if
think
a

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

The trike version of the Elite has a copy of the 2 x 2 carry through
structure mounted aft of the standard one. That would make a very solid
attachment for the rear of a standard Rebel gear. Parts are presumably all
available from Murphy. In fact, I even have all the parts, if anybody is
interested, except the 2 x 2s themselves which I used elsewhere. Dosen't
look as nice as the spring gear, but boy is it stronger.

Al

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

Thanks,
I already got those blocks installed.
Mike

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi again Mike !

It would be well worth your time to have a peek in the archives -
it won't take you long to machine up solid aluminum inserts to go
inside those square tubes ---- it's not just the smooth runways,
you have to worry about braking loadings too ! ;-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 12 September 2005 09:40 pm, Mike Betti wrote:
Thanks,
I'm not familiar enough to start engineering new gear so I will stick with
the MAM setup. Most runways I frequent are in good shape.
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Guess you are kinda stuck on the Elite..unless of course you modify the
floor bulkheads for drag brace pic ups... to convert it to the cub style
gear of the Rebel. Other than that, solid block inserts for the saddle
bolts
inside the 2" square tubes...attention to detail on floor layering and I
would be temped to use metal vs alum for that reinforcing angle in the
MAM
'"fix" to negate pull thru.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

about hearing
do
tractor
from
the installed. now.
it
don't
when
popular
is and
builders
if think a

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

What can you do after the fact besides MAM's upgrade ??

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:53 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Thanks,
I already got those blocks installed.
Mike

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Hi again Mike !

It would be well worth your time to have a peek in the archives -
it won't take you long to machine up solid aluminum inserts to go
inside those square tubes ---- it's not just the smooth runways,
you have to worry about braking loadings too ! ;-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 12 September 2005 09:40 pm, Mike Betti wrote:
Thanks,
I'm not familiar enough to start engineering new gear so I will stick

with

the MAM setup. Most runways I frequent are in good shape.
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Guess you are kinda stuck on the Elite..unless of course you modify the
floor bulkheads for drag brace pic ups... to convert it to the cub

style

gear of the Rebel. Other than that, solid block inserts for the saddle
bolts
inside the 2" square tubes...attention to detail on floor layering and

I

would be temped to use metal vs alum for that reinforcing angle in the
MAM
'"fix" to negate pull thru.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

about hearing

that

do
tractor
from
the installed.

this

for

now.
it
don't
when
popular
is

over

and
builders
if

Read

think

not

a

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am**

If you really wanted to change over to a strut braced cub style gear....bolt
the float attach fittings in place of the spring gear leg saddles (or make
up something similar yourself). Use them as the main gear leg attach pivots.
Then on one of the bulkheads in the floor reinforce it to take a similar
bracket for the drag brace. You can install the wishbone tubes fairly easily
by drilling the tubes from the pedal side with a 6" bit, or make a bolt on
bracket for same.....similar to the main gear attach (could even do a combo
bracket for main leg and wishbone tube) and bolt the wishbone tube to it
instead. Would take a bit of work...but nothing like fishing those 2" square
tubes out when the spring gear lets you down....not to mention the prop,
fuselage and wing damage.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith B. Oliver" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: Spring Gear Thoughts

What can you do after the fact besides MAM's upgrade ??

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:53 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

Thanks,
I already got those blocks installed.
Mike

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi again Mike !

It would be well worth your time to have a peek in the archives -
it won't take you long to machine up solid aluminum inserts to go
inside those square tubes ---- it's not just the smooth runways,
you have to worry about braking loadings too ! ;-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 12 September 2005 09:40 pm, Mike Betti wrote:
Thanks,
I'm not familiar enough to start engineering new gear so I will stick
with
the MAM setup. Most runways I frequent are in good shape.
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Spring Gear Thoughts

the

style

saddle

and

I

the

MAM

much

that

legs

do
tractor
from
this

using

for

at

it
don't
when
popular
over
builders
Read

I

rebel

were

not

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------