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Bob, been reading with interest. If my pocket book permitted, I too would

with Pierre's setup, sounds pretty impressive.

I've been flying mine, 912 on floats for 7 years and I'm very pleased for
the type of flying I do. So far I have done all I can do to maximize
performance, added Fife tips, Ivoprop in-flight adjustable prop and next
thing going in this fall is the airbox now a standard for the 80hp also. A
friend recently purchased a Rebel with 912-S on full lotus floats and I'm
scheduled to go to Sudbury on the 19th to try it out.

I will be recording take-off and cruise performance to make a comparison
with mine. If this turns out the way I think it will, I too will be
considering the 912-S in the not too distant future.

Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Engine Choice

Hi Brad !

<ALL> the O-320 mods ??!!! DON'T move the firewall back 3",
or you will be stuck with an O-320 !!!

If you leave the firewall where it belongs, you can use all
the engine choices - from the 912 up !

Also, don't buy the engine until you are within a couple of
months of mounting it ! They don't keep well !! ;-)
(Actually, there are several good reasons to wait - besides possible
corrosion and factory A/D's on a pickled engine. New engines are
coming along, and, with gas prices, old engines just might come
down in price considerably ! ) Old O-235's are cheap anyway -
in the $4K - $6K range usually)

We owned an O-235 Rebel for over 7 years, even flew it on
Murphy 1500 amphibs - across Canada ! It's an adequate setup,
bit underpowered on floats, unless you get an -L2C or -N2C, with
10 extra horses.... Again, all depends what you want to do !

During the same time, we also had a Rebel with a Rotax 912,
80 hp. . LOVED it ! Lighter than the O-235, so took off quicker,
and climbed better, lightly loaded. It also cruised slightly
(5+ mph) faster, on about 1/2 the fuel. We flew it on Murphy 1500
straight floats - performed very well !

The BIG difference was maintenance costs - the Lyc. had:
2 cylinders, a carb, a mag, an exhaust system, and spark plugs, etc.,
while the Rotax had 8 sets of spark plugs, 2 air filters,
and regular oil changes at 50 hours, for over 1,000 hours of

cheap flying !! :-) Get in, turn the key, and go flying ! :-)

Tom Inglis flew his 912 Rebel into Oshkosh this year, from
Wingham, Ontario. He first flew it at least 3 years ago, and is quite
happy with it. It was on display in the Murphy booth, and attracted
a LOT of interest. (It qualifies for the Sport Plane category !!!) :-)

.....bop

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On Tuesday 06 September 2005 10:34 am, brad@dcsol.com wrote:

Morning All,

With all this talk about bigger and more power engines I'm inerested
in some opinions for my Rebel.

I may have a chance to pick up a good 115 HP engine. I am still a few

years

away from floats and with gas prices what they are I'm tempted. I am
doing

all

the O-320 mods so changing in the future won't be a big deal.

So,,, rather than going bigger and faster is any one flying their

with

a 115 HP? Happy or Not?

Thanks,

Brad (R195)

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Hi Aurele !

Glad to hear he got that one from Quebec ! Please keep us posted
on performance - should be interesting !!

.....bobp

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On Tuesday 06 September 2005 11:55 am, Aurele Lavigne wrote:

Bob, been reading with interest. If my pocket book permitted, I too

go

with Pierre's setup, sounds pretty impressive.

I've been flying mine, 912 on floats for 7 years and I'm very pleased

the type of flying I do. So far I have done all I can do to maximize
performance, added Fife tips, Ivoprop in-flight adjustable prop and next
thing going in this fall is the airbox now a standard for the 80hp also.

friend recently purchased a Rebel with 912-S on full lotus floats and

scheduled to go to Sudbury on the 19th to try it out.

I will be recording take-off and cruise performance to make a comparison
with mine. If this turns out the way I think it will, I too will be
considering the 912-S in the not too distant future.

Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Engine Choice

Hi Brad !

<ALL> the O-320 mods ??!!! DON'T move the firewall back 3",
or you will be stuck with an O-320 !!!

If you leave the firewall where it belongs, you can use all
the engine choices - from the 912 up !

Also, don't buy the engine until you are within a couple of
months of mounting it ! They don't keep well !! ;-)
(Actually, there are several good reasons to wait - besides possible
corrosion and factory A/D's on a pickled engine. New engines are
coming along, and, with gas prices, old engines just might come
down in price considerably ! ) Old O-235's are cheap anyway -
in the $4K - $6K range usually)

We owned an O-235 Rebel for over 7 years, even flew it on
Murphy 1500 amphibs - across Canada ! It's an adequate setup,
bit underpowered on floats, unless you get an -L2C or -N2C, with
10 extra horses.... Again, all depends what you want to do !

During the same time, we also had a Rebel with a Rotax 912,
80 hp. . LOVED it ! Lighter than the O-235, so took off quicker,
and climbed better, lightly loaded. It also cruised slightly
(5+ mph) faster, on about 1/2 the fuel. We flew it on Murphy 1500
straight floats - performed very well !

The BIG difference was maintenance costs - the Lyc. had:
2 cylinders, a carb, a mag, an exhaust system, and spark plugs, etc.,
while the Rotax had 8 sets of spark plugs, 2 air filters,
and regular oil changes at 50 hours, for over 1,000 hours of

trouble-free

cheap flying !! :-) Get in, turn the key, and go flying ! :-)

Tom Inglis flew his 912 Rebel into Oshkosh this year, from
Wingham, Ontario. He first flew it at least 3 years ago, and is quite
happy with it. It was on display in the Murphy booth, and attracted
a LOT of interest. (It qualifies for the Sport Plane category !!!) :-)

.....bop

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Rebels

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Have a good look over before you go for a flight! I passed on it last
Fall!
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Rebel - Engine Choice

Hi Aurele !

Glad to hear he got that one from Quebec ! Please keep us posted
on performance - should be interesting !!

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 06 September 2005 11:55 am, Aurele Lavigne wrote:

Bob, been reading with interest. If my pocket book permitted, I too

would

go

with Pierre's setup, sounds pretty impressive.

I've been flying mine, 912 on floats for 7 years and I'm very pleased

for

the type of flying I do. So far I have done all I can do to maximize
performance, added Fife tips, Ivoprop in-flight adjustable prop and
next
thing going in this fall is the airbox now a standard for the 80hp
also.

A

friend recently purchased a Rebel with 912-S on full lotus floats and

I'm

scheduled to go to Sudbury on the 19th to try it out.

I will be recording take-off and cruise performance to make a
comparison
with mine. If this turns out the way I think it will, I too will be
considering the 912-S in the not too distant future.

Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Engine Choice

trouble-free

Rebels

05/09/2005

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