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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Hi guys. I just joined the list. I am considering buying a Rebel locally
that is about 85-90% completed. I don't mind the tail dragger, but I am
curious what is flys like. I am a student pilot working on my pritave ticket
about two nights a week. I would like to have something to fly my hours oof
and then use as a short field airplane.

Right now I am flying in a 172 which is very easy to fly. There is a guy who
can give me some lessons in a Champ at our airport so that I could get some
taildragger time before flying a Rebel.

What does the Rebel fly like?

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

G'day from OZ !

I learned to fly in a Citabria .... the Rebel has the same all up
weight & wing area .... but is much lighter on the controls , and more
responsive than a Citabria

BUT, I found your feet have to "dance" a little but more on the rudder
pedals than when flying a Citabria - but only really on takeoff

The Rebel flys hands off quite often, takes off in / and lands in far
less distance than your 172 ... and carries around the same payload
(well - ours does anyway )

Rick
541R
----- Original Message -----
From: pequeajim@dcsol.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

Hi guys. I just joined the list. I am considering buying a Rebel
locally
that is about 85-90% completed. I don't mind the tail dragger, but I
am
curious what is flys like. I am a student pilot working on my pritave
ticket
about two nights a week. I would like to have something to fly my
hours oof
and then use as a short field airplane.

Right now I am flying in a 172 which is very easy to fly. There is a
guy who
can give me some lessons in a Champ at our airport so that I could get
some
taildragger time before flying a Rebel.

What does the Rebel fly like?

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

I've only handled the controls of a Rebel in cruise at 3k feet agl -- you
know how boring that can be wrt the "how does it fly" question. One thing
very noticable and very nice (in my book), is that it is SIMPLE to see over
the nose in level flight, especially compared to a Cessna. People who've
flown Rebels a lot probably get used to this nice feature, but the newbie is
inclined to think the nose needs pulling up. No! Enjoy the great view
ahead! :)

Here's another little tidbit that might get you lathered up some -- perhaps
you've seen it. http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepRebel160.html
Ben/ 496R in wing construction phase
ps: is this one of those 90% done, 50% to go planes? (most are)
pps: welcome to the list

On 9/1/2005 6:36 PM, PEQUEAJIM wrote to ALL:

Hi guys. I just joined the list. I am considering buying a Rebel locally
that is about 85-90% completed. I don't mind the tail dragger, but I am
curious what is flys like. I am a student pilot working on my pritave

ticket

about two nights a week. I would like to have something to fly my hours

oof

and then use as a short field airplane.

Right now I am flying in a 172 which is very easy to fly. There is a guy

who

can give me some lessons in a Champ at our airport so that I could get some
taildragger time before flying a Rebel.

What does the Rebel fly like?

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Lol! It may very well be that I still have another 50% to go! I hope not,
but I think no matter what he has done, I will probably want to personalize
it to my own taste which will tack on some hours.

I would love to have it ready for spring, but my trip to see it tomorrow will
tell the tail for sure.

I also have to watch my budget.

-> ps: is this one of those 90% done, 50% to go planes? (most are)
-> pps: welcome to the list
->
-> On 9/1/2005 6:36 PM, PEQUEAJIM wrote to ALL:
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Just a quick story. I bought a Rebel (#242) that was 80% complete
(wings, fuselage, tail, and with a O320 engine on mounts). Two of
us (one 2 days a week and the other 4 days a week - 8 hour days)
have spent 6 months and we probably have another 3/4 to go before taxi
tests. It is amazing how much time one spends putting in recommended mods,
completing the firewall forward equipment, the wiring, and the fitting of
the cowling (lots of time). I have yet to do the instrumentation, wing
and strut fairings, finishing touches on the interior, painting, and
final adjustments of the controls. Then there are the normal two
steps forward and one step back routine that everyone experiences.
So when I saw my rebel (I will try to have the picture of the plane
as I bought it posted on the Murphy Rebel's builder site under
Area 123 - S/M-Miscellaneous) advertised as 80% complete, I had no idea as
to what remained. So the picture is to compare your 90% complete plane to
what I bought listed as 80% complete.

It has been a lot of work and expense, but I am thoroughly enjoying
The experience and can not wait to do the first taxi test.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:08 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

Lol! It may very well be that I still have another 50% to go! I hope not,
but I think no matter what he has done, I will probably want to personalize
it to my own taste which will tack on some hours.

I would love to have it ready for spring, but my trip to see it tomorrow
will
tell the tail for sure.

I also have to watch my budget.

-> ps: is this one of those 90% done, 50% to go planes? (most are)
-> pps: welcome to the list
->
-> On 9/1/2005 6:36 PM, PEQUEAJIM wrote to ALL:
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Hi Jim !

Welcome to the list !!

You'll love the Rebel - it's a delight to fly, much lighter and more
responsive than the 172 ! If you can fly the Champ, you'll have no problem
with the Rebel - it has a wide gear stance, and is one of the easiest
taildraggers to fly. I know of 2 Rebels that were built completely in
under a year, so it is possible you could fly next year - if you really
go at it !

What area are you in ?? There may well be a flying Rebel nearby
that you could try..... We'll try to match you up. Might be good to
have a Rebel builder come along to look at that one - most are good,
but experienced eyes might catch problems ...

It would be good to know a bit more about that Rebel - is it a
recent serial number, has it been modified, if so, how, is it a
regular Rebel, or an Ultralight Model, or in between, (ie - what
gross weight was it - originally), and, of course, how is the workmanship,
has it been inspected, what parts are closed in, what engine was
he planning to use, what engine do you want to use, etc. etc. ..... ????

Much help here on the list ...... and you can call me almost
anytime -- (905) 457-5238 9 am - 10 pm 7 days Brampton, Ontario Canada

.....bobp

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On Thursday 01 September 2005 10:36 pm, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:

Hi guys. I just joined the list. I am considering buying a Rebel locally
that is about 85-90% completed. I don't mind the tail dragger, but I am
curious what is flys like. I am a student pilot working on my pritave

ticket

about two nights a week. I would like to have something to fly my hours oof
and then use as a short field airplane.

Right now I am flying in a 172 which is very easy to fly. There is a guy

who

can give me some lessons in a Champ at our airport so that I could get some
taildragger time before flying a Rebel.

What does the Rebel fly like?

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

The age old homebuilder's saying is "90% finished, 90% to go" isn't it?

Mike

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Gustafson
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:55 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

Just a quick story. I bought a Rebel (#242) that was 80% complete
(wings, fuselage, tail, and with a O320 engine on mounts). Two of
us (one 2 days a week and the other 4 days a week - 8 hour days)
have spent 6 months and we probably have another 3/4 to go before taxi
tests. It is amazing how much time one spends putting in recommended mods,
completing the firewall forward equipment, the wiring, and the fitting of
the cowling (lots of time). I have yet to do the instrumentation, wing
and strut fairings, finishing touches on the interior, painting, and
final adjustments of the controls. Then there are the normal two
steps forward and one step back routine that everyone experiences.
So when I saw my rebel (I will try to have the picture of the plane
as I bought it posted on the Murphy Rebel's builder site under
Area 123 - S/M-Miscellaneous) advertised as 80% complete, I had no idea as
to what remained. So the picture is to compare your 90% complete plane to
what I bought listed as 80% complete.

It has been a lot of work and expense, but I am thoroughly enjoying
The experience and can not wait to do the first taxi test.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:08 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

Lol! It may very well be that I still have another 50% to go! I hope not,
but I think no matter what he has done, I will probably want to personalize
it to my own taste which will tack on some hours.

I would love to have it ready for spring, but my trip to see it tomorrow
will
tell the tail for sure.

I also have to watch my budget.

-> ps: is this one of those 90% done, 50% to go planes? (most are)
-> pps: welcome to the list
->
-> On 9/1/2005 6:36 PM, PEQUEAJIM wrote to ALL:
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Thanks for the reply. I kind of figure that no matter what I estimate to
complete this bird, it can be multiplied by 2-3 times, especially at the end
of the build. THis is my first time working on an airplane although I have
build many RC aircraft, some up to 45% in size. Some things carry over.

I will look for your picture and also post mine when I get back.

Jim!

->
-> Just a quick story. I bought a Rebel (#242) that was 80% complete
-> (wings, fuselage, tail, and with a O320 engine on mounts). Two of
-> us (one 2 days a week and the other 4 days a week - 8 hour days)
-> have spent 6 months and we probably have another 3/4 to go before taxi
-> tests. It is amazing how much time one spends putting in recommended mods,
-> completing the firewall forward equipment, the wiring, and the fitting of
-> the cowling (lots of time). I have yet to do the instrumentation, wing
-> and strut fairings, finishing touches on the interior, painting, and
-> final adjustments of the controls. Then there are the normal two
-> steps forward and one step back routine that everyone experiences.
-> So when I saw my rebel (I will try to have the picture of the plane
-> as I bought it posted on the Murphy Rebel's builder site under
-> Area 123 - S/M-Miscellaneous) advertised as 80% complete, I had no idea as
-> to what remained. So the picture is to compare your 90% complete plane to
-> what I bought listed as 80% complete.
->
-> It has been a lot of work and expense, but I am thoroughly enjoying
-> The experience and can not wait to do the first taxi test.
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> pequeajim@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:08 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Thanks to all for the warm welcome to the list! I was hoping for this type
of response. I am going to see the airplane tomorrow afternoon and will take
some pictures. I'll try to gather as much information as I can, so thanks
for the suggestions. It will help me ask the right questions.

BTW: I am from central Pennsylvania, right in the middle of Amish country,
Lancaster, PA.

->
-> Hi Jim !
->
-> Welcome to the list !!
->
-> You'll love the Rebel - it's a delight to fly, much lighter and more
-> responsive than the 172 ! If you can fly the Champ, you'll have no problem
-> with the Rebel - it has a wide gear stance, and is one of the easiest
-> taildraggers to fly. I know of 2 Rebels that were built completely in
-> under a year, so it is possible you could fly next year - if you really
-> go at it !
->
-> What area are you in ?? There may well be a flying Rebel nearby
-> that you could try..... We'll try to match you up. Might be good to
-> have a Rebel builder come along to look at that one - most are good,
-> but experienced eyes might catch problems ...
->
-> It would be good to know a bit more about that Rebel - is it a
-> recent serial number, has it been modified, if so, how, is it a
-> regular Rebel, or an Ultralight Model, or in between, (ie - what
-> gross weight was it - originally), and, of course, how is the workmanship,
-> has it been inspected, what parts are closed in, what engine was
-> he planning to use, what engine do you want to use, etc. etc. ..... ????
->
-> Much help here on the list ...... and you can call me almost
-> anytime -- (905) 457-5238 9 am - 10 pm 7 days Brampton, Ontario Canada
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Jim,
I too had built just RC before starting on a Rebel. A lot does carry over,
mostly it's problem solving and problem anticipation/prevention. This list
is an amazing resource though. I can't imagine what it would be like without
it. I don't know how many other kitplanes have an associated support group
like this, but that would be a major deciding point for me.
Jesse

From: pequeajim@dcsol.com
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:22:26 -0800

Thanks for the reply. I kind of figure that no matter what I estimate to
complete this bird, it can be multiplied by 2-3 times, especially at the
end
of the build. THis is my first time working on an airplane although I have
build many RC aircraft, some up to 45% in size. Some things carry over.

I will look for your picture and also post mine when I get back.

Jim!

->
-> Just a quick story. I bought a Rebel (#242) that was 80% complete
-> (wings, fuselage, tail, and with a O320 engine on mounts). Two of
-> us (one 2 days a week and the other 4 days a week - 8 hour days)
-> have spent 6 months and we probably have another 3/4 to go before taxi
-> tests. It is amazing how much time one spends putting in recommended
mods,
-> completing the firewall forward equipment, the wiring, and the fitting
of
-> the cowling (lots of time). I have yet to do the instrumentation, wing
-> and strut fairings, finishing touches on the interior, painting, and
-> final adjustments of the controls. Then there are the normal two
-> steps forward and one step back routine that everyone experiences.
-> So when I saw my rebel (I will try to have the picture of the plane
-> as I bought it posted on the Murphy Rebel's builder site under
-> Area 123 - S/M-Miscellaneous) advertised as 80% complete, I had no idea
as
-> to what remained. So the picture is to compare your 90% complete plane
to
-> what I bought listed as 80% complete.
->
-> It has been a lot of work and expense, but I am thoroughly enjoying
-> The experience and can not wait to do the first taxi test.
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> pequeajim@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:08 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Hi Jim !

I spent a couple of nights at Smoketown airport with a Rebel I was
flying up to New Hampshire - nice area, and very helpful people !

You're not toooooo far from us - Brampton, Ontario - near Toronto.
There will be a Rebel Builders Meeting next Sunday, Sept. 11th at the
airport - everybody welcome !

Look forward to hearing more about your 'find' !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 September 2005 11:26 pm, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:

Thanks to all for the warm welcome to the list! I was hoping for this type
of response. I am going to see the airplane tomorrow afternoon and will

take

some pictures. I'll try to gather as much information as I can, so thanks
for the suggestions. It will help me ask the right questions.

BTW: I am from central Pennsylvania, right in the middle of Amish country,
Lancaster, PA.

->
-> Hi Jim !
->
-> Welcome to the list !!
->
-> You'll love the Rebel - it's a delight to fly, much lighter and more
-> responsive than the 172 ! If you can fly the Champ, you'll have no

problem

-> with the Rebel - it has a wide gear stance, and is one of the easiest
-> taildraggers to fly. I know of 2 Rebels that were built completely in
-> under a year, so it is possible you could fly next year - if you really
-> go at it !
->
-> What area are you in ?? There may well be a flying Rebel nearby
-> that you could try..... We'll try to match you up. Might be good to
-> have a Rebel builder come along to look at that one - most are good,
-> but experienced eyes might catch problems ...
->
-> It would be good to know a bit more about that Rebel - is it a
-> recent serial number, has it been modified, if so, how, is it a
-> regular Rebel, or an Ultralight Model, or in between, (ie - what
-> gross weight was it - originally), and, of course, how is the

workmanship,

-> has it been inspected, what parts are closed in, what engine was
-> he planning to use, what engine do you want to use, etc. etc. ..... ????
->
-> Much help here on the list ...... and you can call me almost
-> anytime -- (905) 457-5238 9 am - 10 pm 7 days Brampton, Ontario

Canada

->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Well, I went and visited the rebel tonight. The fella working on it pretty
much has everything done except a lot of minor things throughout the
aircraft. He did a great job with a lot of attention to detail.

Some of the things he has done that I liked:

Electric flaps
All ADs complied with even though he was not building the airplane for floats.
Nice custome windshield installation. mus more streamlined and secure.
Brand new LY O-320 on the nose with terrific air ducting.
Some nice mods to the panel that allow more room.
Heavier duty tail wheel assembly.

It seemed that whereever he could, he paid attention to detail. Like the
landing gear are polished to a chrome shine.

If we can work out the details, I'm going to buy it. When I finish it, I'm
also going to let him fly it.

I'm pumped.

Now if I can figure out how to raise the money.

Jim!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Congratulations. Sounds as if the builder paid attention to detail
and intended to fly it. Why is he selling a project that is close to
completion when he paid so much attention to the detail and quality?
And it would nice to have another builder who "is pumped".
Gary

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pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:34 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

Well, I went and visited the rebel tonight. The fella working on it pretty
much has everything done except a lot of minor things throughout the
aircraft. He did a great job with a lot of attention to detail.

Some of the things he has done that I liked:

Electric flaps
All ADs complied with even though he was not building the airplane for
floats.
Nice custome windshield installation. mus more streamlined and secure.
Brand new LY O-320 on the nose with terrific air ducting.
Some nice mods to the panel that allow more room.
Heavier duty tail wheel assembly.

It seemed that whereever he could, he paid attention to detail. Like the
landing gear are polished to a chrome shine.

If we can work out the details, I'm going to buy it. When I finish it, I'm
also going to let him fly it.

I'm pumped.

Now if I can figure out how to raise the money.

Jim!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

His job situation has developed to the point where he no longer has time to
fly or even work on the airplane. The nice thing is if I purchase it from
him, the airplane will stay local so he will be able to see it fly and even
fly it some time.

Jim!

-> Congratulations. Sounds as if the builder paid attention to detail
-> and intended to fly it. Why is he selling a project that is close to
-> completion when he paid so much attention to the detail and quality?
-> And it would nice to have another builder who "is pumped".
-> Gary
->

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:59 am**

Sounds like an ideal situation. Go fur it!

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pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:28 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Looking at a 90% completed Rebel

His job situation has developed to the point where he no longer has time to
fly or even work on the airplane. The nice thing is if I purchase it from
him, the airplane will stay local so he will be able to see it fly and even
fly it some time.

Jim!

-> Congratulations. Sounds as if the builder paid attention to detail
-> and intended to fly it. Why is he selling a project that is close to
-> completion when he paid so much attention to the detail and quality?
-> And it would nice to have another builder who "is pumped".
-> Gary
->

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