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Bill, Al H., & Mike D.

The Elite/Rebel commentary has been useful for me as well. Initially, I had
thought the Elite was the beggining powered plane for me but my passenger list
is simply too large. This is likely to manifiest itself as a purchase of an
SR3500, but I am likely to give myself the time to purchase it from a position
of strength (meaning not just the tail kit) and I may use this dwell period to
keep my eyes open for an unbuilt SR2500 that comes on the market.

While I respect Daryl's advice to Bill regarding beginning with a simpler
aircraft this is not the path I'm taking as it could prevent me from getting
what I really need. Besides there are two MAM kit builders within reasonable
driving distance from me and I intend to get some construction experience from
their projects before purchasing mine.

My reasons for considering the Elite more than the Rebel are not as strong as I
once thought. The larger level of support for the Rebel and its modifications
make it an excellent choice. The primary drawback, preventing me from
developing an interest in the Rebel, has diminished in that I thought this was
a flaperon wing. I checked my 'Wings over Canada' VHS of the Moose and the
owner that brough his Rebel had flaps & ailerons. Is this a common
modification for the Rebel? Is this (as well as the other several)
modification archived appropriately?

While my primary direction needs to be a larger plane I have also thought about
building a smaller airplane for my solo flights. Heck, is flying a Moose alone
that negative an experience? NO! Ask Kakeldy!

Al - Congratulations on your first flight. I've been meaning to contact you
off-list but I've got a 4 week old in the house now, so time is a little more
difficult!

Thanks,

Rick





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Rick, the "flaperon" wing is in no way a drawback!! I can tell you
categorically that if you flew the full flaperon wing (that's 24 feet of
FLAP down up to 21*) and then flew the split flaps/ailerons (12 feet of
flap..still only allowed down 21*).....you'd be throwing that $500
modification in the trash can and changing it back to flaperons! There's so
much flap you actually have to fudge the Transport Canada calculations as
the way it is there is too much flap/wing span ratio for their liking. I
discovered this little tidbit while applying and jumping thru hoops with
calculations to satisfy them in the last few weeks for my Gross weight
increase while on Amphibs. No one will ever be able to violate me for be OG
on a ramp check!! ;O)).

If you want flaps and ailerons...buy a C150 and put a 150HP Lyco on the
front.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <ravc1@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel or Elite

Bill, Al H., & Mike D.

The Elite/Rebel commentary has been useful for me as well. Initially, I

had

thought the Elite was the beggining powered plane for me but my passenger

list

is simply too large. This is likely to manifiest itself as a purchase of

an

SR3500, but I am likely to give myself the time to purchase it from a

position

of strength (meaning not just the tail kit) and I may use this dwell

period to

keep my eyes open for an unbuilt SR2500 that comes on the market.

While I respect Daryl's advice to Bill regarding beginning with a simpler
aircraft this is not the path I'm taking as it could prevent me from

getting

what I really need. Besides there are two MAM kit builders within

reasonable

driving distance from me and I intend to get some construction experience

from

their projects before purchasing mine.

My reasons for considering the Elite more than the Rebel are not as strong

as I

once thought. The larger level of support for the Rebel and its

modifications

make it an excellent choice. The primary drawback, preventing me from
developing an interest in the Rebel, has diminished in that I thought this

was

a flaperon wing. I checked my 'Wings over Canada' VHS of the Moose and

the

owner that brough his Rebel had flaps & ailerons. Is this a common
modification for the Rebel? Is this (as well as the other several)
modification archived appropriately?

While my primary direction needs to be a larger plane I have also thought

about

building a smaller airplane for my solo flights. Heck, is flying a Moose

alone

that negative an experience? NO! Ask Kakeldy!

Al - Congratulations on your first flight. I've been meaning to contact

you

off-list but I've got a 4 week old in the house now, so time is a little

more

difficult!

Thanks,

Rick





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Rick, another US$.02 worth. I would build the Rebel with a 912S. Bob
P, with all his MAM expertise nailed it. It is better known than the
Elite, better manual, and lots of expertise around. The 912S will burn
about 5 US gallons per hour of premium auto fuel versus the Lyc O-360 at
about 9 US gallons of 100LL per hour. The Moose with an IO-540 I am
told is 14 US gallons per hour of 100LL.

We are building an Elite and thought seriously of a Moose fast build
which would have put us ahead of where we were at the time. Then it set
in that it was foolish to fly 200% of the airplane 100% of the time for
a 5% need. As stated before, renting a 4 seater for those few times
would prove most economical. All this is based on present fuel prices
and availability. I don't think anyone would argue that fuel prices
will not continue to escalate and a plane in the hangar because of fuel
cost is no fun at all. Not to mention the initial cost. If you must go
on floats, use an O-320 in place of the Rotax in the Rebel. But, before
fixing on floats, check the insurance costs for a low time water pilot.
That sure made my decision.

This is a fun sport but the economics do have a place in my decisions.
If they do not matter to you please consider adopting me.
Ralph Baker
Elite 611E



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