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This will develop some serious cash outlay in addition to the 195hp. I'm
thinking much of the first paragraph tricks could be done to an 0-320

and still have some coins in the bottom of my piggy bank (for gas! :) ). I
forget the particulars on LSE ignition -- there is single side and full dual

- but the single side gets most of the benefit (weight, fuel, power) and is
~$1k+ (?) cheaper than the full dual LSE.

Then too that R-263 even if "just" 125hp, but with its predicted very low
weight makes me weak in the knees. Too bad with 5 cylinders it can't use

the shelf electronic ignition.

Like you say Bob, nice to enjoy fussing over engine selection after all the
fuss to pick out the airplane.
-Ben

Hi Bill !

It is indeed possible to put an XP-360 or similar, with lightweight
accessories - like custom carbon-fiber intake manifold, dual electronic
ignition, lightweight starter & alternator(s), polished, ported, and

balanced,

with a lightweight Prince, carbon-fiber coated, wood prop, custom 4 door

cowl,

... and a "glass panel" - into a Rebel !

At this point, there is NO problem with C of G being too forward -
in fact, on paper, this IO-360 is lighter than my O-320, FWF ! And
should develop something like 195 hp ... :-)

I'll have more to say in a few weeks, when the paperwork comes
through, and I can fly this beast ! :-) Should be VERY exciting !

<IF> this works out, it could well become the new standard setup for
"the ultimate floatplane" ! :-)

The really nice thing about the Rebel is - you don't have to decide
on an engine until you're almost ready to fly ! You could build it with
an economical, inexpensive, reliable engine like the Rotax 912, fly for
a few years, then upgrade to an O-360 later, if you decide you want/need

it !

Several people at Oshkosh wanted to do the opposite, so, later, they could
fit into the Sport Class if medical problems appeared....

Either way, it's a great airplane ! :-)

.....bobp

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On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 pm, Bill Wagner wrote:

Thanks a bunch, guys, for your advice about Rebel vs. Elite, spring gear
vs. non-, and Murphy vs. RV. There's lots for me to chew about.

So is it indeed possible to put one of the "lightweight" O-360 clones on
a Rebel, or is that just a bad idea & I should stick to an O-320 if I
want to run amphibs one day?


Bill

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Actually, Ben, the reason some are looking hard at the XP-360 - type
clones is that they are LESS expensive than some rebuilt O-320's !
At least, in this area .... Also, the Superior cylinders are much better
than the Lyc's - more meat in the exhaust valve area, and better flow -
all in all, a better engine, and BRAND-NEW, for less money !
(assuming you don't go wild with the extras - I'm with you, one LSE
would likely give most advantages, with least cost - plus the safety
of flying home on the mag if the battery dies. ;-) )

Radials look romantic, but they have their eccentricities, too ! ;-)
(Don't forget to pull it through 10 blades before starting ... )
Will be interesting to see the real weight, power, and accessories.

Of course, I'm still a BIG fan of the Rotax 912 - my next Rebel
will be a 912-S ...... I'm even thinking about selling the complete
FWF from this one & replacing it with a 912-S .... should have some
money left over, and better fuel economy, for giving up 8 mph of
cruise - think I can live with that ! ;-) :-)

......bobp

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On Friday 26 August 2005 12:55 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

This will develop some serious cash outlay in addition to the 195hp. I'm
thinking much of the first paragraph tricks could be done to an 0-320

rebuild

and still have some coins in the bottom of my piggy bank (for gas! :) ). I
forget the particulars on LSE ignition -- there is single side and full dual

-

- but the single side gets most of the benefit (weight, fuel, power) and is
~$1k+ (?) cheaper than the full dual LSE.

Then too that R-263 even if "just" 125hp, but with its predicted very low
weight makes me weak in the knees. Too bad with 5 cylinders it can't use

off

the shelf electronic ignition.

Like you say Bob, nice to enjoy fussing over engine selection after all the
fuss to pick out the airplane.
-Ben

Hi Bill !

It is indeed possible to put an XP-360 or similar, with lightweight
accessories - like custom carbon-fiber intake manifold, dual electronic
ignition, lightweight starter & alternator(s), polished, ported, and

balanced,

with a lightweight Prince, carbon-fiber coated, wood prop, custom 4 door

cowl,

... and a "glass panel" - into a Rebel !

At this point, there is NO problem with C of G being too forward -
in fact, on paper, this IO-360 is lighter than my O-320, FWF ! And
should develop something like 195 hp ... :-)

I'll have more to say in a few weeks, when the paperwork comes
through, and I can fly this beast ! :-) Should be VERY exciting !

<IF> this works out, it could well become the new standard setup for
"the ultimate floatplane" ! :-)

The really nice thing about the Rebel is - you don't have to decide
on an engine until you're almost ready to fly ! You could build it with
an economical, inexpensive, reliable engine like the Rotax 912, fly for
a few years, then upgrade to an O-360 later, if you decide you want/need

it !

Several people at Oshkosh wanted to do the opposite, so, later, they could
fit into the Sport Class if medical problems appeared....

Either way, it's a great airplane ! :-)

.....bobp

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What's happening to the plans for the floats? Probably have a pair here
you might like to have?

On Fri, 2005-26-08 at 23:16 -0400, Bob Patterson wrote:

Actually, Ben, the reason some are looking hard at the XP-360 - type
clones is that they are LESS expensive than some rebuilt O-320's !
At least, in this area .... Also, the Superior cylinders are much

than the Lyc's - more meat in the exhaust valve area, and better flow -
all in all, a better engine, and BRAND-NEW, for less money !
(assuming you don't go wild with the extras - I'm with you, one LSE
would likely give most advantages, with least cost - plus the safety
of flying home on the mag if the battery dies. ;-) )

Radials look romantic, but they have their eccentricities, too ! ;-)
(Don't forget to pull it through 10 blades before starting ... )
Will be interesting to see the real weight, power, and accessories.

Of course, I'm still a BIG fan of the Rotax 912 - my next Rebel
will be a 912-S ...... I'm even thinking about selling the complete
FWF from this one & replacing it with a 912-S .... should have some
money left over, and better fuel economy, for giving up 8 mph of
cruise - think I can live with that ! ;-) :-)

......bobp