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Hi Bill !

It is indeed possible to put an XP-360 or similar, with lightweight
accessories - like custom carbon-fiber intake manifold, dual electronic
ignition, lightweight starter & alternator(s), polished, ported, and balanced,
with a lightweight Prince, carbon-fiber coated, wood prop, custom 4 door cowl,
... and a "glass panel" - into a Rebel !

At this point, there is NO problem with C of G being too forward -
in fact, on paper, this IO-360 is lighter than my O-320, FWF ! And
should develop something like 195 hp ... :-)

I'll have more to say in a few weeks, when the paperwork comes
through, and I can fly this beast ! :-) Should be VERY exciting !

<IF> this works out, it could well become the new standard setup for
"the ultimate floatplane" ! :-)

The really nice thing about the Rebel is - you don't have to decide
on an engine until you're almost ready to fly ! You could build it with
an economical, inexpensive, reliable engine like the Rotax 912, fly for
a few years, then upgrade to an O-360 later, if you decide you want/need it !
Several people at Oshkosh wanted to do the opposite, so, later, they could
fit into the Sport Class if medical problems appeared....

Either way, it's a great airplane ! :-)

.....bobp

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On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 pm, Bill Wagner wrote:

Thanks a bunch, guys, for your advice about Rebel vs. Elite, spring gear
vs. non-, and Murphy vs. RV. There's lots for me to chew about.

So is it indeed possible to put one of the "lightweight" O-360 clones on
a Rebel, or is that just a bad idea & I should stick to an O-320 if I
want to run amphibs one day?


Bill

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I'm always being accused of oversimplifying, but I
thought I might put this out there as a different way
of looking at it.

Rebel = Rotax
Elite = Lycoming

Obviously you can put a Lyc/Con into a Rebel, but
unless you're putting the Rebel on floats, I think you
lose more than you gain.

If you're thinking about putting a Elite on floats,
it's probably better to look at a Moose. Moose +
Engine + Floats = some bucks, but an Elite with the
engine and floats is not too far off from being "some
bucks".

You can make the conversation more complex, but with
the models that are available today, and keeping the
discussion simple, I think the above is a pretty good
starting point.

On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 pm, Bill Wagner
wrote:

Thanks a bunch, guys, for your advice about Rebel

vs. Elite, spring gear

vs. non-, and Murphy vs. RV. There's lots for me

to chew about.

So is it indeed possible to put one of the

"lightweight" O-360 clones on

a Rebel, or is that just a bad idea & I should

stick to an O-320 if I

want to run amphibs one day?


Bill

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This will develop some serious cash outlay in addition to the 195hp. I'm
thinking much of the first paragraph tricks could be done to an 0-320 rebuild
and still have some coins in the bottom of my piggy bank (for gas! :) ). I
forget the particulars on LSE ignition -- there is single side and full dual -
- but the single side gets most of the benefit (weight, fuel, power) and is
~$1k+ (?) cheaper than the full dual LSE.

Then too that R-263 even if "just" 125hp, but with its predicted very low
weight makes me weak in the knees. Too bad with 5 cylinders it can't use off
the shelf electronic ignition.

Like you say Bob, nice to enjoy fussing over engine selection after all the
fuss to pick out the airplane.
-Ben

Hi Bill !

It is indeed possible to put an XP-360 or similar, with lightweight
accessories - like custom carbon-fiber intake manifold, dual electronic
ignition, lightweight starter & alternator(s), polished, ported, and

balanced,

with a lightweight Prince, carbon-fiber coated, wood prop, custom 4 door

cowl,

... and a "glass panel" - into a Rebel !

At this point, there is NO problem with C of G being too forward -
in fact, on paper, this IO-360 is lighter than my O-320, FWF ! And
should develop something like 195 hp ... :-)

I'll have more to say in a few weeks, when the paperwork comes
through, and I can fly this beast ! :-) Should be VERY exciting !

<IF> this works out, it could well become the new standard setup for
"the ultimate floatplane" ! :-)

The really nice thing about the Rebel is - you don't have to decide
on an engine until you're almost ready to fly ! You could build it with
an economical, inexpensive, reliable engine like the Rotax 912, fly for
a few years, then upgrade to an O-360 later, if you decide you want/need

it !

Several people at Oshkosh wanted to do the opposite, so, later, they could
fit into the Sport Class if medical problems appeared....

Either way, it's a great airplane ! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 pm, Bill Wagner wrote:

Thanks a bunch, guys, for your advice about Rebel vs. Elite, spring gear
vs. non-, and Murphy vs. RV. There's lots for me to chew about.

So is it indeed possible to put one of the "lightweight" O-360 clones on
a Rebel, or is that just a bad idea & I should stick to an O-320 if I
want to run amphibs one day?


Bill

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