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I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

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Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Hi Garry !

If the windshield was done properly, you are in for a pleasant
surprise ! What looks like ProSeal SHOULD BE actually Bostick 1100,
a much nicer sealant. It has fairly low tack, and should easily peel
off, with no effort !!

Bostick 1100 is the sealant recommended by the windshield
manufacturers, and comes in caulking gun tubes, in white, gray, and black.
If you DO have ProSeal, follow Jeff's advice on the wire, or an use Exacto
knife to cut it along the edge of the windshield. By all means, replace
it with the Bostick - it works better, and is a lot easier to work
with ! It's available at most building contractors....

.....bobp

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On Saturday 20 August 2005 12:53 pm, wrightdg wrote:

I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

--
Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Hi Garry !

If the windshield was done properly, you are in for a pleasant
surprise ! What looks like ProSeal SHOULD BE actually Bostick 1100,
a much nicer sealant. It has fairly low tack, and should easily peel
off, with no effort !!

Bostick 1100 is the sealant recommended by the windshield
manufacturers, and comes in caulking gun tubes, in white, gray, and black.
If you DO have ProSeal, follow Jeff's advice on the wire, or an use Exacto
knife to cut it along the edge of the windshield. By all means, replace
it with the Bostick - it works better, and is a lot easier to work
with ! It's available at most building contractors....

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 20 August 2005 12:53 pm, wrightdg wrote:

I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

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Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Hooray for Bostick 1100 and Wayne for using it. Piece of cake. Wayne's
work was so good you couldn't tell in most parts that the stuff came
from a tube. It looked like tape around the edges and came off with only
a small amount of persuasion. It will sure go back on that way. I'm
going to get his technique because it would be really easy to make a
mess at the windshield sides. Thanks Bob.

On Sun, 2005-21-08 at 11:13 -0400, Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Garry !

If the windshield was done properly, you are in for a pleasant
surprise ! What looks like ProSeal SHOULD BE actually Bostick 1100,
a much nicer sealant. It has fairly low tack, and should easily peel
off, with no effort !!

Bostick 1100 is the sealant recommended by the windshield
manufacturers, and comes in caulking gun tubes, in white, gray, and black.
If you DO have ProSeal, follow Jeff's advice on the wire, or an use Exacto
knife to cut it along the edge of the windshield. By all means, replace
it with the Bostick - it works better, and is a lot easier to work
with ! It's available at most building contractors....

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 20 August 2005 12:53 pm, wrightdg wrote:

I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

--
Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Garry,

It may very well have been (butylene) tape. Wayne has posted his "technique"
(below) and I don't think he's a fan of the Bostick sealant. Here's a part of
one of his previous posts on the subject, from the archives, dated 6/2/2002.

R. Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!


"I still prefer to use the aluminum strip, that was supplied in the older
kits, to retain the windshield sides and top, which then only requires
laying up a fiberglass retainer for the bottom edge. Then everything can be
removed, except the fiberglass retainer that can be riveted down to the deck
and sanded smooth etc and then everything painted. Then the windshield can
be put in place and the side and top retainers bolted in place. If you ever
crack a windshield at a later time, then it is very easy to unbolt the
retainers and tip the old windshield out of the lower retainer. Take some
tracing paper (or similar) and lay it out over the cracked windshield and
use an exacto knife to trim your pattern. Then tape to new windshield and
trace the pattern and trim. Throw back in with some new gooo tape and bolt
the retainers back on. As for the gooo, I prefer to still use butylene tape,
that is available from any auto/boat windshield installer (I pay my local
guy $5.00 cash for a good size roll that does about 3 windshields!). I don't
like the tube of goo that MAM has been supplying lately, as it just gets
everywhere and requires an assistant to work with it so someone can hold the
windshield back while you use a caulking gun to apply. Much easier to cut
off strips of tape and stick to the forward retainer lip and up the sides
and over the top. Then place the windshield with it tipped forward, slip it
forward against the retainer while tipping it down onto the roof and bolt
the retainers in place (practice this without the goo tape in place a few
times to get the motion right first!!). Put some thin weather stripping foam
on the inside of the aluminum retainers where they touch the windshield, so
they don't dig/wear into the acrylic. Then push the lower edge of the
windshield tight against the retainer to get the goo tape to stick and if
you can park it out in the sun to heat up and do the same again. Fill the
gap going around the leading edge area and the small gap, that usually is
present between the cabin roof and the windshield, with small strips of goo
tape and just roll and press into place to seal it off along the edge."





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Glad you got it out without problems. Actually, unless Wayne had a
reason to remove it, that windshield installation was done at the
factory in 1996, when the amphibs were first installed. They also made
the fiberglass fairing around the windshield - most of the work for
the float installation was also done by Robin.

If Wayne did do it, then it WAS tape - he uses a sealant that
comes in strips .... can't remember the name. I think the factory
used it at one time, too ....

There should be a soft rubber channel along the bottom of the
windshield, as well.... helps to cushion vibration.

Sounds like you are making great progress on repairs ! Nothing
like finding at least some of it is easier than you expected ! :-)
Hope the rest goes as well !
.....bobp

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On Tuesday 23 August 2005 08:52 pm, wrightdg wrote:

Hooray for Bostick 1100 and Wayne for using it. Piece of cake. Wayne's
work was so good you couldn't tell in most parts that the stuff came
from a tube. It looked like tape around the edges and came off with only
a small amount of persuasion. It will sure go back on that way. I'm
going to get his technique because it would be really easy to make a
mess at the windshield sides. Thanks Bob.

On Sun, 2005-21-08 at 11:13 -0400, Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Garry !

If the windshield was done properly, you are in for a pleasant
surprise ! What looks like ProSeal SHOULD BE actually Bostick 1100,
a much nicer sealant. It has fairly low tack, and should easily peel
off, with no effort !!

Bostick 1100 is the sealant recommended by the windshield
manufacturers, and comes in caulking gun tubes, in white, gray, and black.
If you DO have ProSeal, follow Jeff's advice on the wire, or an use Exacto
knife to cut it along the edge of the windshield. By all means, replace
it with the Bostick - it works better, and is a lot easier to work
with ! It's available at most building contractors....

.....bobp

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I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

--
Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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There is NO proseal under your windshield Garry. It's butylene tape that the
window installers use. Lift very carefully to get the top and sides loose
and then you should be able to roll it forward out of the windshield
retainer. Generally you can roll it into a ball with your thumbs to clean it
off before reinstall.

Wayne

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From: "wrightdg" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: "rebel builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: removing undamaged rebel windscreen

I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation but
I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

--
Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Thanks for all the comments Wayne on this and other subjects and welcome
back to the group. Summer must be over or something.

I wonder about the re-install at the top edge. I did not drill that off
and it seems that just shoving the windscreen back in the slot will not
isolate the plastic from the plane in the way it is isolated at sides
and bottom. Can you comment on that?

Garry

On Thu, 2005-25-08 at 19:04 -0400, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

There is NO proseal under your windshield Garry. It's butylene tape that

window installers use. Lift very carefully to get the top and sides

and then you should be able to roll it forward out of the windshield
retainer. Generally you can roll it into a ball with your thumbs to

off before reinstall.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "wrightdg" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: "rebel builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: removing undamaged rebel windscreen

I must replace the corner wrap that ties the dashboard into the right
side, right under the windscreen. This means removal of the windscreen
which is well adorned with proseal.

I'm looking for all recomendations on howto without damaging the
windscreen and then being able to put it back again?

I have no experience with proseal, either in removal or installation

I do know it is hard to get off - guess thats the point of it. : )

--
Garry Wright
R-068 C-FOKM Amphib
403 931 1573
wrightdg@davincibb.net




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Nope I'm just home for, hopefully only, 3 days to get my older daughter
moved into her TO apartment and clean up some bills. I am supposed to be
back in Temagami to represent COPA on Monday for a land use/access meeting
with the MNR...but one of my "best" customers bent a gear leg to 75 degrees
from straight this morning and I've spent all afternoon (2 to 6pm) and 7:30
'till 11pm tonight travelling, removing, travelling and building a complete
gear assembly. Tomorrow it's travel, replace and hopefully fly it home to
also fix (some other time) the buckled lower corner wrap on the same side.
Glad it was "such a smooth landing I was patting myself on the back and
don't know why this happened" type of landing.... or I'd be into wing and
bent prop work as well. Thanks goodness Brad wanted to trade parts for parts
a couple months ago and I had spares gear legs on hand. Loss of today to
attend to other things may have me home a tad longer than I had hoped. Once
gone again I will be coming home sporadically until mid October, as still
lots to get taken care of before freeze up.

As for the retainer, I will try to look at some pictures thru the assembly
process to get my mind straight on what was there and what order I put that
one in with since it has the fiberglass retainer. I am assuming if you
didn't remove the top retainer that you drilled off the lower retainer??

Wayne

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: removing undamaged rebel windscreen

Thanks for all the comments Wayne on this and other subjects and welcome
back to the group. Summer must be over or something.