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Take it off the forward fuselage floor panel.

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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine were
cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ... from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

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Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be cut
off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
needed profile of body? I would like to cut it before mounting rather
than having to deal with it in place. The manual says to cut it but
doesn't give any reference of how much.
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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine were
cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ... from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

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Mike Betti
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Subject: Spring gear carry through


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I'm full of questions today,
Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be cut
off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
needed profile of body? I would like to cut it before mounting rather
than having to deal with it in place. The manual says to cut it but
doesn't give any reference of how much.
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Mike Betti
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Mike,

Thanks on the website. I totally spaced out getting the angle measurement
for you today ... my bad ... was working on a C150 just a few feet away from
it too. But scratching a wrinkle in my brain says 5/8" measured from the
leading outboard edge of the forward carry through ... and snapping a line
across the top to the aft edge of the same 2x2 should be a good angle to
clear the forward side skin. Had Boy Scouts tonight ... and camped all
weekend ... plan to be back on the Elite tomorrow after work ... will verify
that 5/8" is a good number ... that is ... unless you've already cut it by
then (hehehe).

Bob 612e

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Ok thanks, Al told me it is 5/8" and that looks about right. How about that
forward floor skin, does it attach with one row of rivets in the front fus5?
I'm not sure on its location. The manual just says cleco it on. Well, the
holes in the front fus5 are already at no.11 across the bottom per earler
pages of manual so it doesn't just cleco on. Also the manual says to rivet
the main floor to the bottom of the fus5 a while back also, but I didn't.
I like your website!
Thanks,
Mike Betti

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Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine were
cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ... from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

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I'm full of questions today,
Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be cut
off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
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than having to deal with it in place. The manual says to cut it but
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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine were
cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ... from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

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Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:42 PM
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Subject: Spring gear carry through


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I'm full of questions today,
Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be cut
off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
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Mike,

5/8" (as described below) is a good number ... exactly what mine is.

Bob 612e

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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:44 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through


Mike,

Thanks on the website. I totally spaced out getting the angle measurement
for you today ... my bad ... was working on a C150 just a few feet away
from
it too. But scratching a wrinkle in my brain says 5/8" measured from the
leading outboard edge of the forward carry through ... and snapping a line
across the top to the aft edge of the same 2x2 should be a good angle to
clear the forward side skin. Had Boy Scouts tonight ... and camped all
weekend ... plan to be back on the Elite tomorrow after work ... will
verify
that 5/8" is a good number ... that is ... unless you've already cut it by
then (hehehe).

Bob 612e

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Ok thanks, Al told me it is 5/8" and that looks about right. How about
that
forward floor skin, does it attach with one row of rivets in the front
fus5?
I'm not sure on its location. The manual just says cleco it on. Well, the
holes in the front fus5 are already at no.11 across the bottom per earler
pages of manual so it doesn't just cleco on. Also the manual says to rivet
the main floor to the bottom of the fus5 a while back also, but I didn't.
I like your website!
Thanks,
Mike Betti

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine were
cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ...
from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good
angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:42 PM
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Subject: Spring gear carry through


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I'm full of questions today,
Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be cut
off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
needed profile of body? I would like to cut it before mounting rather
than having to deal with it in place. The manual says to cut it but
doesn't give any reference of how much.
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Mike Betti
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Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:30:51 -0500

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Thanks,
Mike
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Mike,

5/8" (as described below) is a good number ... exactly what mine is.

Bob 612e

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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:44 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through


Mike,

Thanks on the website. I totally spaced out getting the angle

measurement

for you today ... my bad ... was working on a C150 just a few feet away
from
it too. But scratching a wrinkle in my brain says 5/8" measured from

the

leading outboard edge of the forward carry through ... and snapping a

line

across the top to the aft edge of the same 2x2 should be a good angle to
clear the forward side skin. Had Boy Scouts tonight ... and camped all
weekend ... plan to be back on the Elite tomorrow after work ... will
verify
that 5/8" is a good number ... that is ... unless you've already cut it

by

then (hehehe).

Bob 612e

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Mike Betti
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through


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Ok thanks, Al told me it is 5/8" and that looks about right. How about
that
forward floor skin, does it attach with one row of rivets in the front
fus5?
I'm not sure on its location. The manual just says cleco it on. Well,

the

holes in the front fus5 are already at no.11 across the bottom per

earler

pages of manual so it doesn't just cleco on. Also the manual says to

rivet

the main floor to the bottom of the fus5 a while back also, but I

didn't.

I like your website!
Thanks,
Mike Betti

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From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

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Mike,

I'll get the angle measurement tomorrow off 612e, and post it. Mine

were

cut to the angle of the carry through I took out that was wrecked ...
from
what I can tell, it just needs to be able to make the forward side skin
angle change forward of the door post. Anyway, I'll send you a good
angle
tomorrow.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Spring gear carry through


** Check your subject, does it still reflect the message? **

I'm full of questions today,
Does anyone know what the angle or the dimension is that needs to be

cut

off of the front 2" carry through square tube on each side to match
needed profile of body? I would like to cut it before mounting rather
than having to deal with it in place. The manual says to cut it but
doesn't give any reference of how much.
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Mike
A buddy of mine cut his a 5/8 and ended up replacing it. Just be sure

this before you cut.

Steve W

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Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:30:51 -0500

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Mike
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Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

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Mike,

5/8" (as described below) is a good number ... exactly what mine is.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Andrews [mailto:robert@montanasky.us]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:44 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through


Mike,

Thanks on the website. I totally spaced out getting the angle

measurement

for you today ... my bad ... was working on a C150 just a few feet

from
it too. But scratching a wrinkle in my brain says 5/8" measured from

the

leading outboard edge of the forward carry through ... and snapping a

line

across the top to the aft edge of the same 2x2 should be a good angle

clear the forward side skin. Had Boy Scouts tonight ... and camped

weekend ... plan to be back on the Elite tomorrow after work ... will
verify
that 5/8" is a good number ... that is ... unless you've already cut

by

then (hehehe).

Bob 612e

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Mike Betti
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through


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Ok thanks, Al told me it is 5/8" and that looks about right. How about
that
forward floor skin, does it attach with one row of rivets in the front
fus5?
I'm not sure on its location. The manual just says cleco it on. Well,

the

holes in the front fus5 are already at no.11 across the bottom per

earler

pages of manual so it doesn't just cleco on. Also the manual says to

rivet

the main floor to the bottom of the fus5 a while back also, but I

didn't.

I like your website!
Thanks,
Mike Betti

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Mike
A buddy of mine cut his a 5/8 and ended up replacing it. Just be sure

this before you cut.

Steve W

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:30:51 -0500

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Mike
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Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

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Mike,

5/8" (as described below) is a good number ... exactly what mine is.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Andrews [mailto:robert@montanasky.us]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:44 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through


Mike,

Thanks on the website. I totally spaced out getting the angle

measurement

for you today ... my bad ... was working on a C150 just a few feet

from
it too. But scratching a wrinkle in my brain says 5/8" measured from

the

leading outboard edge of the forward carry through ... and snapping a

line

across the top to the aft edge of the same 2x2 should be a good angle

clear the forward side skin. Had Boy Scouts tonight ... and camped

weekend ... plan to be back on the Elite tomorrow after work ... will
verify
that 5/8" is a good number ... that is ... unless you've already cut

by

then (hehehe).

Bob 612e

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Mike Betti
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:05 PM
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Ok thanks, Al told me it is 5/8" and that looks about right. How about
that
forward floor skin, does it attach with one row of rivets in the front
fus5?
I'm not sure on its location. The manual just says cleco it on. Well,

the

holes in the front fus5 are already at no.11 across the bottom per

earler

pages of manual so it doesn't just cleco on. Also the manual says to

rivet

the main floor to the bottom of the fus5 a while back also, but I

didn't.

I like your website!
Thanks,
Mike Betti

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Here's a view of the edge distance your referring too Wayne ... the saddle
will overhang the carry through some on the forward hole.

http://www.aacnet.com/elite/3-06-05/DSC03167.JPG

http://www.aacnet.com/elite/3-06-05/DSC03169.JPG

Since only the left side of the fuselage took damage, the replacement

throughs were cut and drilled to match the ones that were initially
installed. Only change made to the carry throughs was the aluminum blocks
replacing the 2x2 angle pieces and squash tubes.

Moving the saddle holes inboard (while keeping the angle cut the same)

indeed buy more edge distance for the fwd saddle bolt hole. Wayne, how

was the saddle moved?

Bob 612e

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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:06 PM
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Think that's why MAM got smart and redimensioned the saddle location and
moved them inboard a tad..awhile ago...to increase the edge distance for

front saddle bolt.

Wayne

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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through

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Mike
A buddy of mine cut his a 5/8 and ended up replacing it. Just be sure

about

this before you cut.

Steve W

From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:30:51 -0500

** Check your subject, does it still reflect the message? **

Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

measurement

away

the

line

to

all

it

by

the earler rivet didn't.

were

skin

cut

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From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:06:14 -0400

** Check your subject, does it still reflect the message? **

Think that's why MAM got smart and redimensioned the saddle location and
moved them inboard a tad..awhile ago...to increase the edge distance for
the
front saddle bolt.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve whitenect" <srwhitenect@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through

** Check your subject, does it still reflect the message? **

Mike
A buddy of mine cut his a 5/8 and ended up replacing it. Just be sure

about

this before you cut.

Steve W

From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Spring gear carry through
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:30:51 -0500

** Check your subject, does it still reflect the message? **

Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Spring gear carry through

measurement

away

from

the

a

line

angle
to

all

will

it

by

about

front

Well,

the earler rivet didn't.

Mine

were

...

skin

good

Of

be

cut

rather

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