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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
paperwork.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Congrats Alan...a BIG milestone !!! Guess they still haven't got the MD-RA
programmed equalled out everywhere... as there were some that would give the
flight permit right then and there. Keep on TC to get it processed for you.
They are even delayed issuing AULA's flight permits these days and they only
need a C of R !

Cheers,
Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Congratulations Al !! That was FAST !!!!

I know it doesn't feel like it, but you've beaten a very large
number of other Murphy builders .... ;-)

Come on guys !!! Let's go FLYING !!!! :-)

.....bobp

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Allan,
Congratulations! From our past correspondence I know you did a great
job. Enjoy the first flight and let us "someday" Elitists in on the
flying characteristics of your personal achievement.
Ralph Baker

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Congrats, Alan, and looking forward to your initial flight
reports.

Walter

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Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:07 PM
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Subject: C-FGAH

Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just
waiting for the
paperwork.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Congrats Alan: I know the feeling - it's like having a weight lifted from
your shoulders. Murphy make a great kit and if the manual is followed there
should not be any inspection problems structurally, it's all the little
things you hope you haven't missed. I had a couple of bolts with not enough
thread showing, rubber boots required on all positive terminals, fuel (site
tube) and flap position markings, safety springs on throttle and mixture and
a few other minor things. It's an exciting time now, but just wait until
your first flight - nothing tops that - not even sex. (my wife never reads
this thread). Now I must get back to Rebel 725 and "keep at it" as in the
end it is definitely worth it. Bob J Formerly Rebel 652
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Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Bob et al:

It seems that my inspector has to send his report to the Chief Inspector
(Jamie), who can then sign me off for flight, so I believe TC is not
involved at this point. I'm told to expect about 3 weeks delay.

For those interested, the statistics are:

Build time to date: 1,880 hrs + 350 hrs for the floats (so much for the
advertised 700 hrs!)
Elapsed time: 30 months, which I didn't think was bad, considering I have a
full time job
Empty weight: 1,430 lbs on Montana 2200 amphibs.
Equipment: Aerosport Power O360, Sensenich fixed pitch prop, Grand Rapids
EIS/EFIS, Narco Escort II, AT150, SelCal encoder. All electric airplane -
no vacuum system, no cabin heat.

At this point, the airplane is unpainted, and has no interior. Until I get
the gross weight increase approved by TC, it's going to stay that way,
because I'm only 26 lbs below the maximum allowable empty weight, according
to the CARS formula (well, maybe I could manage a thin coat of paint!). The
only thing I though was a bit heavy was the seat foam, which is ConforFoam.
But it is comfortable.

Al Hepburn

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From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Congratulations Al !! That was FAST !!!!

I know it doesn't feel like it, but you've beaten a very large
number of other Murphy builders .... ;-)

Come on guys !!! Let's go FLYING !!!! :-)

.....bobp

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Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Can't believe after all these years the inspectors still aren't trusted and
it has to go back to Alexandre to take one last look at your W & B before
sending it off to TC. If Jamie does your final you fly that day...but no
other inspectors in Ontario.

Al, what do the Montana 2200's weight by themselves??

Thought you were going to up the weight on the original paperwork....Ontario
MD-RA not going for that either?

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Bob et al:

It seems that my inspector has to send his report to the Chief Inspector
(Jamie), who can then sign me off for flight, so I believe TC is not
involved at this point. I'm told to expect about 3 weeks delay.

For those interested, the statistics are:

Build time to date: 1,880 hrs + 350 hrs for the floats (so much for the
advertised 700 hrs!)
Elapsed time: 30 months, which I didn't think was bad, considering I have

a

full time job
Empty weight: 1,430 lbs on Montana 2200 amphibs.
Equipment: Aerosport Power O360, Sensenich fixed pitch prop, Grand Rapids
EIS/EFIS, Narco Escort II, AT150, SelCal encoder. All electric airplane -
no vacuum system, no cabin heat.

At this point, the airplane is unpainted, and has no interior. Until I

get

the gross weight increase approved by TC, it's going to stay that way,
because I'm only 26 lbs below the maximum allowable empty weight,

according

to the CARS formula (well, maybe I could manage a thin coat of paint!).

The

only thing I though was a bit heavy was the seat foam, which is

ConforFoam.

But it is comfortable.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Congratulations Al !! That was FAST !!!!

I know it doesn't feel like it, but you've beaten a very large
number of other Murphy builders .... ;-)

Come on guys !!! Let's go FLYING !!!! :-)

.....bobp

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Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
paperwork.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Al,

First off a hearty congratulations !!

... and thanks for the data on your Elite Amphib ... will anticipate 612e
coming in somewhere around the same weight. Gross for a standard Elite is
1800 ... what gross weight are you setting for your amphib?

Bob 612e

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Alan Hepburn
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Bob et al:

It seems that my inspector has to send his report to the Chief Inspector
(Jamie), who can then sign me off for flight, so I believe TC is not
involved at this point. I'm told to expect about 3 weeks delay.

For those interested, the statistics are:

Build time to date: 1,880 hrs + 350 hrs for the floats (so much for the
advertised 700 hrs!)
Elapsed time: 30 months, which I didn't think was bad, considering I have a
full time job
Empty weight: 1,430 lbs on Montana 2200 amphibs.
Equipment: Aerosport Power O360, Sensenich fixed pitch prop, Grand Rapids
EIS/EFIS, Narco Escort II, AT150, SelCal encoder. All electric airplane -
no vacuum system, no cabin heat.

At this point, the airplane is unpainted, and has no interior. Until I get
the gross weight increase approved by TC, it's going to stay that way,
because I'm only 26 lbs below the maximum allowable empty weight, according
to the CARS formula (well, maybe I could manage a thin coat of paint!). The
only thing I though was a bit heavy was the seat foam, which is ConforFoam.
But it is comfortable.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Congratulations Al !! That was FAST !!!!

I know it doesn't feel like it, but you've beaten a very large
number of other Murphy builders .... ;-)

Come on guys !!! Let's go FLYING !!!! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
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Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
paperwork.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Good for you! We're eager as everyone to hear about how the flying goes.

Photos??

Cheers,

Dave

Alan Hepburn wrote:

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

Wayne:

Sorry, I never did weigh them on their own, but they're going to be quite a
bit heavier than the Murphy 1800s because:

1) they're bigger
2) I have the optional hydraulic retract
3) they have bigger wheels
4) the rigging is more substantial
5) they use metal/braided stainless lines throughout

Yes, you're right on the paperwork. At least we don't have to wait for TC
to sign off. That could take forever.

I finally managed to ttalk to Wayne Juniper and he indicated the way to go
was as I described. Put the designer's gross weight on the Initial C of A
application, then apply for a higher number when you get the restrictions
taken off. They may require another climb test, but I intend to do three
tests at 1690, 1790 and 1890 lbs and show by extrapolation that there's no
way it won't do 350 f.p.m. at the higher weight. I plan to go for 2100 lbs.

The way I see it, the stress limits are calulated on the basis of a design
basis vertical gust. The stress imposed by this gust is directly
prioportional to weight, and proportional to the square of airspeed. On
amphibs, my cruise airspeed will probably be reduced by about 25% relative
to the wheeled airplane, so I would have to go 50% over gross before
generating the same stress. I guess I could make a major design change -
move the yellow arc down a bit!

Any comments from you aeronautical engineers out there?

Al Hepburn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Can't believe after all these years the inspectors still aren't trusted

and

it has to go back to Alexandre to take one last look at your W & B before
sending it off to TC. If Jamie does your final you fly that day...but no
other inspectors in Ontario.

Al, what do the Montana 2200's weight by themselves??

Thought you were going to up the weight on the original

paperwork....Ontario

MD-RA not going for that either?

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Bob et al:

It seems that my inspector has to send his report to the Chief Inspector
(Jamie), who can then sign me off for flight, so I believe TC is not
involved at this point. I'm told to expect about 3 weeks delay.

For those interested, the statistics are:

Build time to date: 1,880 hrs + 350 hrs for the floats (so much for the
advertised 700 hrs!)
Elapsed time: 30 months, which I didn't think was bad, considering I

have

a
full time job
Empty weight: 1,430 lbs on Montana 2200 amphibs.
Equipment: Aerosport Power O360, Sensenich fixed pitch prop, Grand

Rapids

EIS/EFIS, Narco Escort II, AT150, SelCal encoder. All electric

airplane -

no vacuum system, no cabin heat.

At this point, the airplane is unpainted, and has no interior. Until I
get
the gross weight increase approved by TC, it's going to stay that way,
because I'm only 26 lbs below the maximum allowable empty weight,
according
to the CARS formula (well, maybe I could manage a thin coat of paint!).
The
only thing I though was a bit heavy was the seat foam, which is
ConforFoam.
But it is comfortable.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Congratulations Al !! That was FAST !!!!

I know it doesn't feel like it, but you've beaten a very

large

number of other Murphy builders .... ;-)

Come on guys !!! Let's go FLYING !!!! :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
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the

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 am**

thats correct alan pls keep us informed as i would like to do the same
type of upgrade to mine and wayne j is at least aminable bob fisher
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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Wayne:

Sorry, I never did weigh them on their own, but they're going to be quite

a

bit heavier than the Murphy 1800s because:

1) they're bigger
2) I have the optional hydraulic retract
3) they have bigger wheels
4) the rigging is more substantial
5) they use metal/braided stainless lines throughout

Yes, you're right on the paperwork. At least we don't have to wait for TC
to sign off. That could take forever.

I finally managed to ttalk to Wayne Juniper and he indicated the way to go
was as I described. Put the designer's gross weight on the Initial C of A
application, then apply for a higher number when you get the restrictions
taken off. They may require another climb test, but I intend to do three
tests at 1690, 1790 and 1890 lbs and show by extrapolation that there's no
way it won't do 350 f.p.m. at the higher weight. I plan to go for 2100

lbs.

The way I see it, the stress limits are calulated on the basis of a design
basis vertical gust. The stress imposed by this gust is directly
prioportional to weight, and proportional to the square of airspeed. On
amphibs, my cruise airspeed will probably be reduced by about 25% relative
to the wheeled airplane, so I would have to go 50% over gross before
generating the same stress. I guess I could make a major design change -
move the yellow arc down a bit!

Any comments from you aeronautical engineers out there?

Al Hepburn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Can't believe after all these years the inspectors still aren't trusted
and
it has to go back to Alexandre to take one last look at your W & B

before

sending it off to TC. If Jamie does your final you fly that day...but no
other inspectors in Ontario.

Al, what do the Montana 2200's weight by themselves??

Thought you were going to up the weight on the original
paperwork....Ontario
MD-RA not going for that either?

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

Bob et al:

It seems that my inspector has to send his report to the Chief

Inspector

(Jamie), who can then sign me off for flight, so I believe TC is not
involved at this point. I'm told to expect about 3 weeks delay.

For those interested, the statistics are:

Build time to date: 1,880 hrs + 350 hrs for the floats (so much for

the

advertised 700 hrs!)
Elapsed time: 30 months, which I didn't think was bad, considering I
have
a
full time job
Empty weight: 1,430 lbs on Montana 2200 amphibs.
Equipment: Aerosport Power O360, Sensenich fixed pitch prop, Grand
Rapids
EIS/EFIS, Narco Escort II, AT150, SelCal encoder. All electric
airplane -
no vacuum system, no cabin heat.

At this point, the airplane is unpainted, and has no interior. Until

I

get
the gross weight increase approved by TC, it's going to stay that way,
because I'm only 26 lbs below the maximum allowable empty weight,
according
to the CARS formula (well, maybe I could manage a thin coat of

paint!).

The
only thing I though was a bit heavy was the seat foam, which is
ConforFoam.
But it is comfortable.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: C-FGAH

large
the

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:38 am**

Hi Alan,

Congratulations on your inspection. I have been away and am just catching up
on "millions" of emails that had piled up. Randy and I first flew our Moose
on May 20 and so we know first hand the well deserved excitement you are
feeling.

You have a lot of great times ahead to look forward to. Randy and I just
attended our first Seaplane fly-in last weekend in Speculator NY. We where
completely caught off guard when we and the Moose were awarded the "Spirit
of Speculator Award" a most coveted award. So, good luck with your test
flying and you better clear of the mantel above the fireplace to make room
for all the recognition you will receive.

Regards,
Don B.

From: Alan Hepburn <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:06:30 -0400
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: C-FGAH

Elite C-FGAH passed final inspection May 26. Now just waiting for the
paperwork.

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