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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought a 3 axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware. I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake I go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....

Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel "meething". It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

Sorry Jean...couldn't get a week long pass from the Penetang mental asylum!!
They'll only let me sit in the front yard on the benches..... to watch the
jets go by !! LOL

)

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought a

3 axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe
auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware.
I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple
hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake I
go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I
could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....

Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel "meething".

It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

May be next year Wayne! What do you think about the wing leveler/thracker?

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: wing leveler...

Sorry Jean...couldn't get a week long pass from the Penetang mental
asylum!!
They'll only let me sit in the front yard on the benches..... to watch the
jets go by !! LOL )

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought
a
3 axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe
auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware.
I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple
hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake
I
go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I
could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....
Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel
"meething".
It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

I assume the Rebel has an aileron cable run on each side next to the
fuselage rib above the pilot and copilot's head like the Super Rebel? If
so, and if the servo is made to attach to a cable, it shouldn't be too
difficult. Someone on this list has a servo mounted there on a Super Rebel.
I've always thought the servo mounting is the hardest part. As for price,
as far as I can tell the cheapest single axis autopilot available is the
Navaid
(http://web.archive.org/web/200304111259 ... rdware.htm)
listed at $1300 although there is some question about whether they are still
in business. The Trutrak Digitrak is listed at $1550 on the Aircraft Spruce
website (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/a ... gitrak.php) and is
another possibility. That should give you an idea about how much to offer,
although if your friend has an STEC System 20, they are much more expensive,
certified, and can be upgraded later with altitude hold if you want. I
wouldn't spend much money on a Century but that's just my opinion.

Mike Kimball
044SR

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jean Poirier
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:29 AM
To: rebel builder
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought a 3
axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe
auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware.
I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple
hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake I
go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I
could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....

Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel "meething".
It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

In my honest opinion...If you're concerned about flying into the soup
accidentally one day..... install a vacuum horizon and an electric turn
coordinator before I went to the bother of a wing leveler....but everyone
has their own wants/needs/preferences and why they are called homebuilts!. I
prefer to do the flying and not be taken for a ride.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: wing leveler...

May be next year Wayne! What do you think about the wing

leveler/thracker?

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: wing leveler...

Sorry Jean...couldn't get a week long pass from the Penetang mental
asylum!!
They'll only let me sit in the front yard on the benches..... to watch

the

jets go by !! LOL )

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just

bought

a
3 axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single

axe

auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the

hardware.

I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for

couple

hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by

mistake

I
go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!),

I

could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....
Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel
"meething".
It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was

missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

Rebel has no cables in the aileron/flaperon system. All push pull tubes and
torque tubes. Cables for elevator and rudder.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: wing leveler...

I assume the Rebel has an aileron cable run on each side next to the
fuselage rib above the pilot and copilot's head like the Super Rebel? If
so, and if the servo is made to attach to a cable, it shouldn't be too
difficult. Someone on this list has a servo mounted there on a Super

Rebel.

I've always thought the servo mounting is the hardest part. As for price,
as far as I can tell the cheapest single axis autopilot available is the
Navaid

(http://web.archive.org/web/200304111259 ... rdware.htm)

listed at $1300 although there is some question about whether they are

still

in business. The Trutrak Digitrak is listed at $1550 on the Aircraft

Spruce

website (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/a ... gitrak.php) and

is

another possibility. That should give you an idea about how much to

offer,

although if your friend has an STEC System 20, they are much more

expensive,

certified, and can be upgraded later with altitude hold if you want. I
wouldn't spend much money on a Century but that's just my opinion.

Mike Kimball
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jean Poirier
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:29 AM
To: rebel builder
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought a

3

axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe
auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware.
I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple
hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake

I

go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I
could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....

Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel "meething".
It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

Oh well. You have to go with a different type of servo then, and I have no
idea where the best location would be. I'll leave that in the capable hands
of the Rebel builders. I also tend to agree with Wayne about doing the
driving myself, although it does come in handy while folding maps, pouring
coffee, getting rid of processed coffee, etc., let alone inadvertent IFR.
Of course, if you did a good job building and rigging, you still shouldn't
need the otto for that. Hmmm, I wonder if I did a good job making sure I
had a level wing before final riveting the skin? Guess I'll find out. :-)

Mike Kimball
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:18 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: wing leveler...

Rebel has no cables in the aileron/flaperon system. All push pull tubes and
torque tubes. Cables for elevator and rudder.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: wing leveler...

I assume the Rebel has an aileron cable run on each side next to the
fuselage rib above the pilot and copilot's head like the Super Rebel? If
so, and if the servo is made to attach to a cable, it shouldn't be too
difficult. Someone on this list has a servo mounted there on a Super

Rebel.

I've always thought the servo mounting is the hardest part. As for price,
as far as I can tell the cheapest single axis autopilot available is the
Navaid

(http://web.archive.org/web/200304111259 ... rdware.htm)

listed at $1300 although there is some question about whether they are

still

in business. The Trutrak Digitrak is listed at $1550 on the Aircraft

Spruce

website (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/a ... gitrak.php) and

is

another possibility. That should give you an idea about how much to

offer,

although if your friend has an STEC System 20, they are much more

expensive,

certified, and can be upgraded later with altitude hold if you want. I
wouldn't spend much money on a Century but that's just my opinion.

Mike Kimball
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jean Poirier
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:29 AM
To: rebel builder
Subject: wing leveler...

Hello everybody!

A friend of me who owned a pristine condition Lake amphibian just bought a

3

axes auto-pilot... (when you have money...). He offer me the single axe
auto pilot that was in it up to now. They usually name that a "wing
leveler". It include the directionnal gyros, the servo and the hardware.
I have think about it for my Rebel for 2 reason: could be fun for couple
hours trip, but the most important is as a safety device; if by mistake

I

go in cloud or in white "xxxxxx" (I do not remember the ?&*%?& word!), I
could use it to help me go out of trouble. Do you think it will be be
difficult to install in a Rebel and how much should I pay....

Jean
Rebel 747R

P.S.: Nice weather to Sun'Fun but a small "gang" at the Rebel "meething".
It was nice to see people from the year before... Wayne you was missing!

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:27 am**

There was (is??) a description of Brian's installation of a Navaid servo
on the ailerons of a Rebel in the archives. It was mounted near the
pivot point of the flap bar (behind the pilot seat) and connected to the
aileron bellcrank (behind the pilot seat) with a push rod. I might be
able to find a photo if one is not in the archives.
Ken
119R

I've always thought the servo mounting is the hardest part. As for price,
as far as I can tell the cheapest single axis autopilot available is the
Navaid

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