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-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:25 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Todays silly question is which way are guys wiring the trim rocker
switch if installed on the instrument panel? Push the top to go nose
down or push the top to go nose up? If you think about a trim wheel or a
stick mounted trim switch then pushing the top for nose down makes
sense. Or you can just think of it as an up/down switch....

In case you think I'm totally nutty, the manufacturer supplies labelling
for either way:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html

Also at the bottom of that page is a $30. position sensor that looks
like it could be used to feed one of their $77. position indicators if
someone with electric flaps wanted a panel mounted indicator.

Ken






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Didn't some one say once that no questions are silly?

I suspect the majority will be push the top for nose down trim, bottom for
nose up.

Scott

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:25 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Todays silly question is which way are guys wiring the trim rocker
switch if installed on the instrument panel? Push the top to go nose
down or push the top to go nose up? If you think about a trim wheel or a
stick mounted trim switch then pushing the top for nose down makes
sense. Or you can just think of it as an up/down switch....

In case you think I'm totally nutty, the manufacturer supplies labelling
for either way:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html

Also at the bottom of that page is a $30. position sensor that looks
like it could be used to feed one of their $77. position indicators if
someone with electric flaps wanted a panel mounted indicator.

Ken






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Scott is correct. There are no silly questions when it comes to airplanes.
In my opinion the only silly one is one that is not asked. We installed our
trim switch in the same manner--- push the top of the switch and the nose
goes down. Push it a long time and the nose goes WAY down.

Scott is correct. There are no silly questions when it comes to

In my opinion the only silly one is one that is not asked. We installed

trim switch in the same manner--- push the top of the switch and the nose
goes down. Push it a long time and the nose goes WAY down.

Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 14:50 PM
Subject: RE: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Didn't some one say once that no questions are silly?

I suspect the majority will be push the top for nose down trim, bottom

nose up.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Ken

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:25 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Todays silly question is which way are guys wiring the trim rocker
switch if installed on the instrument panel? Push the top to go nose
down or push the top to go nose up? If you think about a trim wheel or

stick mounted trim switch then pushing the top for nose down makes
sense. Or you can just think of it as an up/down switch....

In case you think I'm totally nutty, the manufacturer supplies

for either way:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html

Also at the bottom of that page is a $30. position sensor that looks
like it could be used to feed one of their $77. position indicators if
someone with electric flaps wanted a panel mounted indicator.

Ken






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Scott is correct. There are no silly questions when it comes to airplanes.
In my opinion the only silly one is one that is not asked. We installed our
trim switch in the same manner--- push the top of the switch and the nose
goes down. Push it a long time and the nose goes WAY down.

Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID

Didn't some one say once that no questions are silly?

I suspect the majority will be push the top for nose down trim, bottom for
nose up.

Scott

-----Original Message-----

From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Ken

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:25 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Todays silly question is which way are guys wiring the trim rocker
switch if installed on the instrument panel? Push the top to go nose
down or push the top to go nose up? If you think about a trim wheel or a
stick mounted trim switch then pushing the top for nose down makes
sense. Or you can just think of it as an up/down switch....

In case you think I'm totally nutty, the manufacturer supplies labelling
for either way:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html

Also at the bottom of that page is a $30. position sensor that looks
like it could be used to feed one of their $77. position indicators if
someone with electric flaps wanted a panel mounted indicator.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Interesting....I didn't get either of the previous messages on this
subject.

I argued this one for a long time with my MD-RA inspector with the feeling
that you rolled a C182 wheel rearward for nose up so the bottom of the
switch should be nose up...but he said no way top of switch is "UP" so it
should be nose up. I didn't like it at first, but in reality it really
makes
sense. This also correlates to the indicator which rises to the top for
nose
up and bottom for nose down. With the rocker switch and indicator mounted
side by side if you want more nose up it only makes sense to push the
upward
side of the switch to make the indicator go more nose up...and the
airplane
as well. Pushing the bottom of the switch while the indicator and nose go
up
would be confusing and I have found it so when getting in other
Rebels/701's
etc that have been installed this way.

I also found that the best place for the rocker switch to be is not where
I
have it, but where I put it in FXWI that Bob P. has now. Right between the
throttle and mixture so you can tap it with a finger without letting go of
either the stick or the throttle!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Shotwell" <dicks@filertel.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Scott is correct. There are no silly questions when it comes to

airplanes.

In my opinion the only silly one is one that is not asked. We installed

our

trim switch in the same manner--- push the top of the switch and the

nose

goes down. Push it a long time and the nose goes WAY down.

Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 14:50 PM
Subject: RE: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Didn't some one say once that no questions are silly?

I suspect the majority will be push the top for nose down trim, bottom

for

nose up.

Scott

Of

Ken

or
a

labelling

if

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Didn't some one say once that no questions are silly?

I suspect the majority will be push the top for nose down trim, bottom for
nose up.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:25 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Todays silly question is which way are guys wiring the trim rocker
switch if installed on the instrument panel? Push the top to go nose
down or push the top to go nose up? If you think about a trim wheel or a
stick mounted trim switch then pushing the top for nose down makes
sense. Or you can just think of it as an up/down switch....

In case you think I'm totally nutty, the manufacturer supplies labelling
for either way:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html

Also at the bottom of that page is a $30. position sensor that looks
like it could be used to feed one of their $77. position indicators if
someone with electric flaps wanted a panel mounted indicator.

Ken






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-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Scott Aldrich
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:12 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator


Of course, it is personal choice, but it doesn't make
any sense to me.
Forget the indicator, it needs to be intuitive which
would be to treat it
like a mini control stick (imagine it on a center
panel) forward would be
down back would be up. If it was on top of your stick
it would be real
goofy (to me anyway) to go forward for nose up.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com

[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Interesting....I didn't get either of the previous

messages on this

subject.

I argued this one for a long time with my MD-RA

inspector with the feeling

that you rolled a C182 wheel rearward for nose up so

the bottom of the

switch should be nose up...but he said no way top of

switch is "UP" so it

should be nose up. I didn't like it at first, but in

reality it really

makes
sense. This also correlates to the indicator which

rises to the top for

nose
up and bottom for nose down. With the rocker switch

and indicator mounted

side by side if you want more nose up it only makes

sense to push the

upward
side of the switch to make the indicator go more

nose up...and the

airplane
as well. Pushing the bottom of the switch while the

indicator and nose go

up
would be confusing and I have found it so when

getting in other

Rebels/701's
etc that have been installed this way.

I also found that the best place for the rocker

switch to be is not where

I
have it, but where I put it in FXWI that Bob P. has

now. Right between the

throttle and mixture so you can tap it with a finger

without letting go of

either the stick or the throttle!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Shotwell" <dicks@filertel.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim direction/ flap position indicator

Scott is correct. There are no silly questions

when it comes to

airplanes.

In my opinion the only silly one is one that is

not asked. We installed

our

trim switch in the same manner--- push the top of

the switch and the

nose

goes down. Push it a long time and the nose goes WAY down.

Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 14:50 PM
Subject: RE: Elevator Trim direction/ flap

position indicator

nose down trim, bottom

for

[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf

Of

Ken

position indicator

wiring the trim rocker

Push the top to go nose

think about a trim wheel

or
a

for nose down makes

up/down switch....

manufacturer supplies

labelling

position sensor that looks

$77. position indicators

if

mounted indicator.

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