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Hello!

Couple of conversation in the last few days about fuel economy and

I am building the second wing now and I think I will have to choose the

Jean
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Actually..if you want a 100HP in an air cooled engine find yourself an
O-235-C or C1. There are so many of these engines out there you can pick
them up now for less than what they were in 1993. I paid $6000cdn for mine
in 1993 as a good 1/3rd time running engine and sold it two years ago for
only $3750 at about 1/2 time and still running like a top. Couldn't spark
any interest at any higher price.

On the other hand O-200's are getting as rare as hens teeth, thanks to
lower
production volumes to start with and formula racers blowing them up at
4000rpm's etc...so they are getting hard to find and very pricy.

Of course the other real reason to go O-235 first is..there is very little
needed to be done when you want to upgrade to an O-320 x150/160 HP as the
mount is the same, airbox fits etc etc with just an oil cooler to add to
the
installation and you are flying again in a couple days. They are so close
that even the throttle and mixture throws don't need to be re-adjusted.

Jean, I flew mine with the O-235, heavy original starter and the battery
(G-25) on the firewall for many years. When I switched to the O-320 it has
a
lightweight alternator and I even got lazy and left the battery on the
firewall. Little nose heavy alone and low on fuel, but still flew fine. I
just moved the battery to the rear of tailcone this fall, after installing
the hydraulics for the skis/floats entirely forward of the datum .....so
thought it was time to move the battery before going to floats in the next
month or so.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: O-200 engine

Hello!

Couple of conversation in the last few days about fuel economy and

engine.... is someone flying a Rebel back of a O-200? Performance on
wheels and skies? May be easiest to find at a fair price than Lycon and
surely cheaper tha Rotax....

I am building the second wing now and I think I will have to choose the

engine at the beginning of the fuselage building because the firewall
position? What happen to those who fly firts with a smaller engine and
than change for the heaviers ones?

Jean
Rebel 747R




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Hello Wayne

Thanks for the quick answer. When originally build, it was for the

firewall?

I know that L2C are more powerfull and parts are much cheaper than C1B for
they will be more rare too? and more expensive?..

Have you take your decision for the Sun'fun?

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: O-200 engine

Actually..if you want a 100HP in an air cooled engine find yourself an
O-235-C or C1. There are so many of these engines out there you can pick
them up now for less than what they were in 1993. I paid $6000cdn for

in 1993 as a good 1/3rd time running engine and sold it two years ago

only $3750 at about 1/2 time and still running like a top. Couldn't

any interest at any higher price.

On the other hand O-200's are getting as rare as hens teeth, thanks to
lower
production volumes to start with and formula racers blowing them up at
4000rpm's etc...so they are getting hard to find and very pricy.

Of course the other real reason to go O-235 first is..there is very

needed to be done when you want to upgrade to an O-320 x150/160 HP as

mount is the same, airbox fits etc etc with just an oil cooler to add to
the
installation and you are flying again in a couple days. They are so

that even the throttle and mixture throws don't need to be re-adjusted.

Jean, I flew mine with the O-235, heavy original starter and the battery
(G-25) on the firewall for many years. When I switched to the O-320 it

a
lightweight alternator and I even got lazy and left the battery on the
firewall. Little nose heavy alone and low on fuel, but still flew fine.

just moved the battery to the rear of tailcone this fall, after

the hydraulics for the skis/floats entirely forward of the datum .....so
thought it was time to move the battery before going to floats in the

month or so.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: O-200 engine

Hello!

Couple of conversation in the last few days about fuel economy and

engine.... is someone flying a Rebel back of a O-200? Performance on
wheels and skies? May be easiest to find at a fair price than Lycon

surely cheaper tha Rotax....

I am building the second wing now and I think I will have to choose the

engine at the beginning of the fuselage building because the firewall
position? What happen to those who fly firts with a smaller engine and
than change for the heaviers ones?

Jean
Rebel 747R




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Hello Wayne

Thanks for the quick answer. When originally build, it was for the O-235
firewall?

I know that L2C are more powerfull and parts are much cheaper than C1B for
they will be more rare too? and more expensive?..

Have you take your decision for the Sun'fun?

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: O-200 engine

Actually..if you want a 100HP in an air cooled engine find yourself an
O-235-C or C1. There are so many of these engines out there you can pick
them up now for less than what they were in 1993. I paid $6000cdn for mine
in 1993 as a good 1/3rd time running engine and sold it two years ago for
only $3750 at about 1/2 time and still running like a top. Couldn't spark
any interest at any higher price.

On the other hand O-200's are getting as rare as hens teeth, thanks to
lower
production volumes to start with and formula racers blowing them up at
4000rpm's etc...so they are getting hard to find and very pricy.

Of course the other real reason to go O-235 first is..there is very little
needed to be done when you want to upgrade to an O-320 x150/160 HP as the
mount is the same, airbox fits etc etc with just an oil cooler to add to
the
installation and you are flying again in a couple days. They are so close
that even the throttle and mixture throws don't need to be re-adjusted.

Jean, I flew mine with the O-235, heavy original starter and the battery
(G-25) on the firewall for many years. When I switched to the O-320 it has
a
lightweight alternator and I even got lazy and left the battery on the
firewall. Little nose heavy alone and low on fuel, but still flew fine. I
just moved the battery to the rear of tailcone this fall, after installing
the hydraulics for the skis/floats entirely forward of the datum .....so
thought it was time to move the battery before going to floats in the next
month or so.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: O-200 engine

Hello!

Couple of conversation in the last few days about fuel economy and

engine.... is someone flying a Rebel back of a O-200? Performance on
wheels and skies? May be easiest to find at a fair price than Lycon and
surely cheaper tha Rotax....

I am building the second wing now and I think I will have to choose the

engine at the beginning of the fuselage building because the firewall
position? What happen to those who fly firts with a smaller engine and
than change for the heaviers ones?

Jean
Rebel 747R




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-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:33 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: O-200 engine



Hi Jean !

If you can find a real L2C (NOT an 'upgraded' one), or an N2C,
they are definitely worth the extra bucks ! Those 10
extra horses are
REAL horses - will give you at least 10 mph more
cruise, and make
floats <just> possible/bearable.

Our 80 hp. 912 Rebel outperformed our O-235 Rebel in
every area,
except - fully loaded on a very hot day, the climb was
better with the O-235.
Otherwise, the 912 took off shorter, climbed faster,
and cruised faster, on
half the fuel !! This is entirely because the O-235
weighs SOOoooo much more
than the 912 - weight is the performance secret ! :-)

Of course, going to an L2C would have changed that
(ours was an old C2C),
but going to a 912-S should swing the balance back to
the 912 in a big way !
I still think that's the best performance for the dollar ....

........bobp


-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 11:09 am, Jean Poirier wrote:

Hello Wayne

Thanks for the quick answer. When originally

build, it was for the O-235

firewall?

I know that L2C are more powerfull and parts are

much cheaper than C1B for

they will be more rare too? and more expensive?..

Have you take your decision for the Sun'fun?

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: O-200 engine

Actually..if you want a 100HP in an air cooled

engine find yourself an

O-235-C or C1. There are so many of these engines

out there you can pick

them up now for less than what they were in 1993.

I paid $6000cdn for mine

in 1993 as a good 1/3rd time running engine and

sold it two years ago for

only $3750 at about 1/2 time and still running

like a top. Couldn't spark

any interest at any higher price.

On the other hand O-200's are getting as rare as

hens teeth, thanks to

lower
production volumes to start with and formula

racers blowing them up at

4000rpm's etc...so they are getting hard to find

and very pricy.

Of course the other real reason to go O-235 first

is..there is very little

needed to be done when you want to upgrade to an

O-320 x150/160 HP as the

mount is the same, airbox fits etc etc with just

an oil cooler to add to

the
installation and you are flying again in a couple

days. They are so close

that even the throttle and mixture throws don't

need to be re-adjusted.

Jean, I flew mine with the O-235, heavy original

starter and the battery

(G-25) on the firewall for many years. When I

switched to the O-320 it has

a
lightweight alternator and I even got lazy and

left the battery on the

firewall. Little nose heavy alone and low on fuel,

but still flew fine. I

just moved the battery to the rear of tailcone

this fall, after installing

the hydraulics for the skis/floats entirely

forward of the datum .....so

thought it was time to move the battery before

going to floats in the next

month or so.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
To: "rebel builder" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: O-200 engine

fuel economy and

engine.... is someone flying a Rebel back of a

O-200? Performance on

wheels and skies? May be easiest to find at a

fair price than Lycon and

surely cheaper tha Rotax....

will have to choose the

engine at the beginning of the fuselage building

because the firewall

position? What happen to those who fly firts

with a smaller engine and

than change for the heaviers ones?

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Not that I am pushing the 0200 over the 0235 lyc, but if weight
is important, the 0200 is listed at 170 lbs dry weight while the
0235-C comes in at 213. That's quite a difference for the same
power.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:33 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: O-200 engine



Hi Jean !

If you can find a real L2C (NOT an 'upgraded' one), or an N2C,
they are definitely worth the extra bucks ! Those 10
extra horses are
REAL horses - will give you at least 10 mph more
cruise, and make
floats <just> possible/bearable.

Our 80 hp. 912 Rebel outperformed our O-235 Rebel in
every area,
except - fully loaded on a very hot day, the climb was
better with the O-235.
Otherwise, the 912 took off shorter, climbed faster,
and cruised faster, on
half the fuel !! This is entirely because the O-235
weighs SOOoooo much more
than the 912 - weight is the performance secret ! :-)

Of course, going to an L2C would have changed that
(ours was an old C2C),
but going to a 912-S should swing the balance back to
the 912 in a big way !
I still think that's the best performance for the dollar ....

........bobp


-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 11:09 am, Jean Poirier wrote:

Hello Wayne

Thanks for the quick answer. When originally

build, it was for the O-235

firewall?

I know that L2C are more powerfull and parts are

much cheaper than C1B for

they will be more rare too? and more expensive?..

Have you take your decision for the Sun'fun?

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: O-200 engine

engine find yourself an

out there you can pick

I paid $6000cdn for mine

sold it two years ago for

like a top. Couldn't spark

hens teeth, thanks to

racers blowing them up at

and very pricy.

is..there is very little

O-320 x150/160 HP as the

an oil cooler to add to

days. They are so close

need to be re-adjusted.

starter and the battery

switched to the O-320 it has

left the battery on the

but still flew fine. I

this fall, after installing

forward of the datum .....so

going to floats in the next

fuel economy and

O-200? Performance on

fair price than Lycon and

will have to choose the

because the firewall

with a smaller engine and

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