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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Mike Betti
I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size or
have others done it different?

2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?

3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).

Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by bransom
I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size or
have others done it different?
Consider the 2.5" hole already reduced ...MAM changed the size from 3" in
1994MAM down to 2.5" in 1999 MAM. It's just a clearance hole, so probably
anything between 2 3/8 - 3" is fine.
2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?
You are referring to the short pieces of ST-40 (cut from stock)? I think
you'll see a little note in MAM that these are for attaching the wing tips
and are needed on the right wing only due to flange direction of the ribs.
3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).
Yes :)
-Ben/ 496R
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Mike Betti
Thanks,
The rear spar extension is made up of W604 and W620.
I'm going to leave them clecoed for now.
Mike Betti
771Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Wing building

I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size or
have others done it different?
Consider the 2.5" hole already reduced ...MAM changed the size from 3" in
1994MAM down to 2.5" in 1999 MAM. It's just a clearance hole, so probably
anything between 2 3/8 - 3" is fine.
2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?
You are referring to the short pieces of ST-40 (cut from stock)? I think
you'll see a little note in MAM that these are for attaching the wing tips
and are needed on the right wing only due to flange direction of the ribs.
3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).
Yes :)
-Ben/ 496R
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Mike..would be the extension for the aileron spade area I would suppose...
due to similarities with the SR wing. Haven't built an Elite wing, but would
think this is the case. Elite builders chime in to reassure Mike!

As for the hole thru the root rib...as long as you have clearance for the
torque tube/spacer (and rivets) your are good to go.

I run into "third" questions every day.... with the same results lately..I
think it's the aluminum dust after 12+ years!

Wayne

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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Wing building

Thanks,
The rear spar extension is made up of W604 and W620.
I'm going to leave them clecoed for now.
Mike Betti
771Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Wing building

I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size
or
have others done it different?
Consider the 2.5" hole already reduced ...MAM changed the size from 3"
in
1994MAM down to 2.5" in 1999 MAM. It's just a clearance hole, so
probably
anything between 2 3/8 - 3" is fine.
2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be
riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?
You are referring to the short pieces of ST-40 (cut from stock)? I
think
you'll see a little note in MAM that these are for attaching the wing
tips
and are needed on the right wing only due to flange direction of the
ribs.
3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the
acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).
Yes :)
-Ben/ 496R
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Alan Hepburn
Mike:

The requirement is to leave a good clearance hole for the torque tube. 2
1/2" is maybe a little on the large side, but you certainly don't want any
possibility of contact. The spar extension eventually supports the wing
tip. The aileron spade starts at the end of the spar extension. Take a
look at the tip instructions and all will make sense - until you come to
build the tip, that is!

The further you get in to the project, the less accurate the instructions
become, until towards the end you hardly refer to them. I'm trying to
remember the things to note on the wing. For example:

1) it says to leave 1/2" projecting on the tank skins. Make it at least
5/8", as you'll probably want to use Tinnerman nuts instead of just self
tapping screws into the skin for the wing root fairings.

2) make some provision for running the wiring and pitot tube out through the
wing. I took mine to the top of the strut, then down that way, but If I'd
been thinking ahead more, I'd probably have run a duct ahead of the spar
somewhere. The "D" ahead of thr font spar is attractive, but once you put
the front wing attach fitting in place, there's not much room

3) Use countersunk rivets all around the tip rib. I don't know if the
instructions say that, but it's necessary when you fit the tip.

4) If you plan on riveting the tip in place, you're going to need some kind
of access cover for the strobe power supply

5) Use Wayne's plate nuts for the aileron hinge attachments. Then you can
do away with all these inspection plates

6) Install Tinnerman nuts for the inspection plates at the strut attachment

7) Cut the vertical webs off the inboard end of the lower stringers to stop
a dam of water forming behind each stringer.

8) When you put the top skin on the tank, use the scrap from the wing and
cut rectangular holes in it. Wax the inside of the scrap skin, then Proseal
the scrap skin in place. Work through the cutouts you made to form a nice
bead of Proseal at all joints. When it's good an dry (several days), remove
the scrap skin, look for any pinholes on the inside (I brushed on thin
Proseal over the thick stuff), then scuff up the Proseal and Proseal the
tank skin in place

9) If you have the long range tanks, you might want to install the gas caps
one bay inboard from the end - easier to get at on floats.

10) I didn't like the idea of bashing these root ribs flat to take the sight
glass fittings, and installed capacitive probes instead (pic on Elite
section of Wildcat)

11) Install doublers around the aileron horn cutout

12) Make sure you install the stringers on the INSIDE of the skins (guess
how I found out that one!)

13) I installed a flange on the root rib, sticking inboard and flush with
the end of the tank skin to take the wing root fairing (Tinnerman nuts)

14) Don't start to Proseal the tanks at 9 o'clock at night! Do them in more
stages than the instructions indicate. Send the wife and family away for
the evening.

15) I tested my tanks with windshield washer fluid. Loose gas in the
basement did not seem like a good plan.

16) The standard tips required significant surgery to make them fit (see
archives)

17) If you can figure out what the long tank rivets in the kit are for
(maybe they're not there anymore), let me know.

18) I found one of these rough round hacksaw blades that they sell for
cutting tile good for making the J shaped cutouts in the rib plates where
the sringers pass through the tank ends.

Other than that, the instructions weren't bad!

Regards, Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Wing building

Thanks,
The rear spar extension is made up of W604 and W620.
I'm going to leave them clecoed for now.
Mike Betti
771Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Wing building

I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size
or
have others done it different?
Consider the 2.5" hole already reduced ...MAM changed the size from 3"
in
1994MAM down to 2.5" in 1999 MAM. It's just a clearance hole, so
probably
anything between 2 3/8 - 3" is fine.
2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be
riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?
You are referring to the short pieces of ST-40 (cut from stock)? I
think
you'll see a little note in MAM that these are for attaching the wing
tips
and are needed on the right wing only due to flange direction of the
ribs.
3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the
acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).
Yes :)
-Ben/ 496R
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Alan Hepburn
Oh, and the doubler plates under the aileron hinges are too small (unless
they've changed the measurement). Make them big enough to leave some edge
clearance around the bolt holes.

If you are going to have strobe power supplies, the logical place for them
is on the rear of the main spar at the tip. It's a lot easier to install
them when the spar is flat on the table, but as I said earlier, plan an
access panel that is big enough to remove the whole power supply (or use
screws to attch the tip).

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: Wing building

I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size or
have others done it different?

2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?

3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).

Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Mike Betti
Ya, I found that out too late. After making all 8, I stared at the lack of
edge distance for 3 days and finally decided to start over. Found a sheet of
6061 in town by luck and made a new set that work. It took so long to make
up my mind because I really didn't want to order in a new piece of material
and delay progress. So I checked with a local fab shop and they had 4'X8'
sheets of 6061 left from a job, sold me one for a case of beer.
Thanks for spending the time with all the tips.
Mike Betti
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From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Wing building

Oh, and the doubler plates under the aileron hinges are too small (unless
they've changed the measurement). Make them big enough to leave some edge
clearance around the bolt holes.

If you are going to have strobe power supplies, the logical place for them
is on the rear of the main spar at the tip. It's a lot easier to install
them when the spar is flat on the table, but as I said earlier, plan an
access panel that is big enough to remove the whole power supply (or use
screws to attch the tip).

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: Wing building

I just started building wings and have a couple questions.

1) The manual says drill a 2 1/2" hole in the 2 solid ribs for the
control tube. The tube is only 2" and with the sleeve added I still
don't see the need for that big of a hole. Shoud I drill to this size or
have others done it different?

2) I clecoed on the rear spar extension which is made up of 2 bent
pieces of aluminum. I don't see the part yet where it should be riveted
permanetly. What is the purpose of these pieces out on the tip end of
the wing anyhow?

3) I had a 3rd question but I can't remember what it was, ( the acetone
and epoxy primer working against me).

Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by mbetti
I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you just run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
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wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Jones, Michael
mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

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I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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wing building

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Mike, I dropped by the lumber yard back in 1993 and picked up two nice
straight 12' lengths of mahogany door jam material 3/4" x 3 1/2 approx. Took
the router down one of them to make the relief for the "J" in the stringer.
I have done over ten sets of wings on these boards (lengthening with 4 foot
new boards to do SR wings) and I think I could get one more set off them
before I need to rip a clean edge down each of the boards and re-router the
relief.

You need to position the boards close to the edge of the table to do the
leading edge. Set your leading edge skin on the table and see where the
closest stringer is from the table edge. This is where you will need your
boards. To do the top and bottom skins, put the boards in a distance that is
as comfortable as you can get it t reach over to drill those 140+ holes per
line!

Cheers,
Wayne

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Subject: wing building

I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Mike Kimball
I used wood guides for half of the first wing. But I thought they were a
pain and didn't use any guides for the rest. I just drilled and clecoed
each end, then drilled in the middle and clecoed while holding the skin half
(hope you can understand what I mean by skin half) I was working on vertical
on the table, sort of under my arm, with the other skin half lying on the
table. My arm would sort of hold the skin while I held the stringer in
position with my fingers. Kept halfing and clecoing until the stringer was
well held in place then drilled the rest. It worked fine. Wood guides are
unnecessary.

Mike

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mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

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I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
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Mike Betti
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Mike Betti
I'll try the hardwood boards Wayne mentioned, I can see at least one of
those holes being drilled into my fingers before all those holes are
drilled. Thanks all.
I just got all the plastic wrap pulled off and notice the top skins have a
couple of creases from maybe mishandling during unpacking or they came that
way to me. Is there any cure to getting rid of creases?
Also the directions come across to me as not to rivet the ribs to the main
spar yet, not until after the skins have been drilled and fitted. Is that
correct?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: wing building

I used wood guides for half of the first wing. But I thought they were a
pain and didn't use any guides for the rest. I just drilled and clecoed
each end, then drilled in the middle and clecoed while holding the skin
half
(hope you can understand what I mean by skin half) I was working on
vertical
on the table, sort of under my arm, with the other skin half lying on the
table. My arm would sort of hold the skin while I held the stringer in
position with my fingers. Kept halfing and clecoing until the stringer
was
well held in place then drilled the rest. It worked fine. Wood guides
are
unnecessary.

Mike

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Subject: RE: wing building


mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

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I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
As Mike has indicated yes you may very well be able to get away without any
stringer boards what so ever.... if you are careful. Mike's description
sounds like he was working on the leading edge skin. For those building a
Rebel with .020 leading edge don't even think about it...they're over
$600cdn each and you're probably going to buckle yours if you try this. The
.032 of the SR and Elite is a little more forgiving....as is the .063
stringers on the SR/Moose compared to the .032 stringers of the Elite/Rebel.

One other thing to ignore in MAMs manual as well...unless it's been changed.
It used to tell you in most sections of the manual to start by drilling at
each end and work into the middle of a skin or panel. I"ve seen some pretty
large skin "humps" on flying airplanes from following this advise. Always
start in the middle of what you are drilling, cleco and work you way out to
each end to keep things smooth. If you can't start in the middle start at
one end and work you way to the other....never start at both ends and work
your way in.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: wing building

I used wood guides for half of the first wing. But I thought they were a
pain and didn't use any guides for the rest. I just drilled and clecoed
each end, then drilled in the middle and clecoed while holding the skin
half
(hope you can understand what I mean by skin half) I was working on
vertical
on the table, sort of under my arm, with the other skin half lying on the
table. My arm would sort of hold the skin while I held the stringer in
position with my fingers. Kept halfing and clecoing until the stringer
was
well held in place then drilled the rest. It worked fine. Wood guides
are
unnecessary.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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Jones, Michael
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:44 AM
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Subject: RE: wing building


mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:37 PM
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Subject: wing building



I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this? do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Mike, I don't usually pull the plastic until I pretty much ready to debur
and rivet. Also don't "pull it" on large sheets. Get the edge started up and
wrap it around a piece of 1" CPVC pipe or similar and "roll it" off. Pulling
can cause creases and buckles in your sheets. As for the creases in your
skins I'd have to see them to tell you exactly what you can or can't do with
them. Sometimes they're not an issue once they get on top of a rib, others
can be coaxed out with a small plastic roller or when backed up with some
good oak boards and rubbed from the other side with something smooth and
hard and some lard.

All the ribs should be properly riveted to the spars before starting any
skinning. The small increase in tightness that riveting the ribs to the
spars will make will shorten the overall distance from rear to middle spar
and could very well be enough to slightly buckle the skin if you did the
skins with the ribs just cleco'd.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: wing building

I'll try the hardwood boards Wayne mentioned, I can see at least one of
those holes being drilled into my fingers before all those holes are
drilled. Thanks all.
I just got all the plastic wrap pulled off and notice the top skins have a
couple of creases from maybe mishandling during unpacking or they came
that
way to me. Is there any cure to getting rid of creases?
Also the directions come across to me as not to rivet the ribs to the main
spar yet, not until after the skins have been drilled and fitted. Is that
correct?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: wing building

I used wood guides for half of the first wing. But I thought they were
a
pain and didn't use any guides for the rest. I just drilled and clecoed
each end, then drilled in the middle and clecoed while holding the skin
half
(hope you can understand what I mean by skin half) I was working on
vertical
on the table, sort of under my arm, with the other skin half lying on
the
table. My arm would sort of hold the skin while I held the stringer in
position with my fingers. Kept halfing and clecoing until the stringer
was
well held in place then drilled the rest. It worked fine. Wood guides
are
unnecessary.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:44 AM
To: 'rebel-builders@dcsol.com'
Subject: RE: wing building


mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to
keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:37 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: wing building



I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins in
a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work
bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing this?
do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you
just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am
by Mike Betti
I agree on what you are saying on the riveting of the ribs to the spars. It
looks like a rib or two in the fuel tank may need to be removed later in the
building process but I would think I could rivet the rest in now. Anyone
know of any reason I couldn't rivet ribs in now? That is prior to the
skinning section in the manual.
Mike Betti
771 Elite

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: wing building

Mike, I don't usually pull the plastic until I pretty much ready to debur
and rivet. Also don't "pull it" on large sheets. Get the edge started up
and
wrap it around a piece of 1" CPVC pipe or similar and "roll it" off.
Pulling
can cause creases and buckles in your sheets. As for the creases in your
skins I'd have to see them to tell you exactly what you can or can't do
with
them. Sometimes they're not an issue once they get on top of a rib, others
can be coaxed out with a small plastic roller or when backed up with some
good oak boards and rubbed from the other side with something smooth and
hard and some lard.

All the ribs should be properly riveted to the spars before starting any
skinning. The small increase in tightness that riveting the ribs to the
spars will make will shorten the overall distance from rear to middle spar
and could very well be enough to slightly buckle the skin if you did the
skins with the ribs just cleco'd.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: wing building

I'll try the hardwood boards Wayne mentioned, I can see at least one of
those holes being drilled into my fingers before all those holes are
drilled. Thanks all.
I just got all the plastic wrap pulled off and notice the top skins have
a
couple of creases from maybe mishandling during unpacking or they came
that
way to me. Is there any cure to getting rid of creases?
Also the directions come across to me as not to rivet the ribs to the
main
spar yet, not until after the skins have been drilled and fitted. Is
that
correct?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: wing building

I used wood guides for half of the first wing. But I thought they
were
a
pain and didn't use any guides for the rest. I just drilled and
clecoed
each end, then drilled in the middle and clecoed while holding the
skin
half
(hope you can understand what I mean by skin half) I was working on
vertical
on the table, sort of under my arm, with the other skin half lying on
the
table. My arm would sort of hold the skin while I held the stringer
in
position with my fingers. Kept halfing and clecoing until the
stringer
was
well held in place then drilled the rest. It worked fine. Wood
guides
are
unnecessary.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:44 AM
To: 'rebel-builders@dcsol.com'
Subject: RE: wing building


mike

i used guides full length of table, think would be a pain to have to
keep
moving and aligning them

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:37 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: wing building



I'm getting ready to start attaching the stringers to the wing skins
in
a
couple days. MAM shows the 2 pieces of plywood layed out on the work
bench
like done on the stab. Does this seem to be the best way of doing
this?
do
you use these pieces in length to equal the stringer length or do you
just
run shorter pieces every so often to support them?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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