Page 1 of 1

Float mounting throat angle and step location

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Bob, most have mounted the float top deck in relation to the cabin bottom at
between 2 and 3 degrees nose up.....which works out to approx 6 to 7 degrees
to the theoretical wing cord. I'll have to find the data but I believe I had
Howard's at 2.7* throat angle in relation to the cabin floor and Garry's
FOKM is pretty similar as well. Works beautiful at this angle. End of step
on MAM 1800's approximately 27 inches back from the inside (rear) face of
the forward most strut attach fitting on the fusleage.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: rear float brackets

... it looks like that particular float installation has 9 to 10 degrees
of
throat angle ... which also could produce less then optimal performance
...
would think 3-5 should do it leaving the rest for rotation once
on-the-step
speed gets up there. What throat angle are you setting your floats at on
the Rebels?

Bob e612

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: rear float brackets


Yes Bob! Ron's old airplane. I agree..step is too far forward by about 9
inches or so comparing pictures of side to side on what I know works.
Problem may be weight (probably the + side of 380lbs for the Bilmars -
which
leaves one 200 lb pilot and 4 gallons of fuel to be legal and actually
wouldn't pass TC's useful load calculation) to work out an acceptible C of
G..but I'd think further back would improve the C of G if anything. The
rear
strut would still be slanted back though so moving the rear fus attach
forward as Bob (Keith) are doing makes a lot of sense. Both struts leaning
the same way just begs for collapse in a hard landing. Glad Howard's rear
strut was straight TFSure.

Wayne
...................
Mark C-FPSR Serial No 077R
Common Name Murphy Model REBEL

File Location Toronto Basis for Eligibility for Registration Amateur
Built - CAR Standard 549
Type of Registration Private
Category Aeroplane Weight (Kgs) 748
Manufacturer RON C. BARBER
Year of Manufacture 1995
Country of Manufacture CANADA

Owner Registration
Owner Registered Since 2001-08-02 Last Certificate of Registration
Issued 2001-08-02

Engine Piston Number of Engines 1
Owner Information
Name ( 1 of 1 ) 629995 Ontario Inc. Mail Recipient Yes
Address P.O. Box 98
City Braeside Province Ontario
Postal Code K0A 1G0 Region Ontario

..................

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: rear float brackets

Hi Al !

From the photo, that looks like Ron Barber's old Rebel.
The step appears to be over a foot or more too far forward -
that would account for the angle of the rear support ....
and also the poor performance !! ;-) :-)

Guess they had <some> reason for the positioning.

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 12:05 am, Alan Hepburn wrote:
Wayne:

It was Eric Draper's Rebel. I've posted the pic on Rebel/Float
Installations. The rear spreader is about the same location as on the
Montana 2200s.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: rear float brackets

Rebel
down
CLAMAR's
are
Rebel
or
in
hand
pretty
would
show
strut is
was
done
not
attach
point
least).
If
points,
I
attach
brought
amphibious
outside.
Cover
but
not
Question
skin
at
there
hole.
outside
doublers
Behalf
Of
the
life!
ares
Is it
be
done
-----------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
-----------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
be
-----------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------




-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------










-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Float mounting throat angle and step location

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16 am
by WALTER KLATT
I am using 2.5 on mine right now, but would like to try 3. I believe Bruce G. has his at 3.5 right now.

Walter (down in sunny Alabama right now)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 8:12 pm
Subject: Float mounting throat angle and step location
Bob, most have mounted the float top deck in relation to the cabin
bottom at
between 2 and 3 degrees nose up.....which works out to approx 6 to
7 degrees
to the theoretical wing cord. I'll have to find the data but I
believe I had
Howard's at 2.7* throat angle in relation to the cabin floor and
Garry'sFOKM is pretty similar as well. Works beautiful at this
angle. End of step
on MAM 1800's approximately 27 inches back from the inside (rear)
face of
the forward most strut attach fitting on the fusleage.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: rear float brackets

... it looks like that particular float installation has 9 to 10
degreesof
throat angle ... which also could produce less then optimal
performance...
would think 3-5 should do it leaving the rest for rotation once
on-the-step
speed gets up there. What throat angle are you setting your
floats at on
the Rebels?

Bob e612

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: rear float brackets


Yes Bob! Ron's old airplane. I agree..step is too far forward by
about 9
inches or so comparing pictures of side to side on what I know
works.> Problem may be weight (probably the + side of 380lbs for
the Bilmars -
which
leaves one 200 lb pilot and 4 gallons of fuel to be legal and
actually> wouldn't pass TC's useful load calculation) to work out
an acceptible C of
G..but I'd think further back would improve the C of G if
anything. The
rear
strut would still be slanted back though so moving the rear fus
attach> forward as Bob (Keith) are doing makes a lot of sense.
Both struts leaning
the same way just begs for collapse in a hard landing. Glad
Howard's rear
strut was straight TFSure.

Wayne
...................
Mark C-FPSR Serial No 077R
Common Name Murphy Model REBEL

File Location Toronto Basis for Eligibility for
Registration Amateur
Built - CAR Standard 549
Type of Registration Private
Category Aeroplane Weight (Kgs) 748
Manufacturer RON C. BARBER
Year of Manufacture 1995
Country of Manufacture CANADA

Owner Registration
Owner Registered Since 2001-08-02 Last Certificate of
Registration> Issued 2001-08-02
Engine Piston Number of Engines 1
Owner Information
Name ( 1 of 1 ) 629995 Ontario Inc. Mail Recipient Yes
Address P.O. Box 98
City Braeside Province Ontario
Postal Code K0A 1G0 Region Ontario

..................

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: rear float brackets

Hi Al !

From the photo, that looks like Ron Barber's old Rebel.
The step appears to be over a foot or more too far forward -
that would account for the angle of the rear support ....
and also the poor performance !! ;-) :-)

Guess they had <some> reason for the positioning.

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 12:05 am, Alan Hepburn wrote:
as on the
least one
Rebel
down
CLAMAR's
are
heavy for the
Rebel
work hand
in
hand
points are
pretty
picture> would
The rear
strut is
nothingwas
done
fuselage is
not
rearattach
Elite at
least).
points,
I
from the
attach
brought
amphibious
outside.
too bad,
but
not
Question
How fit the
skin
months ago,
there
accesshole.
better from
outside
outside, might
circular> doublers
Behalf
cover with
the
trouble in my
life!
way hole
ares
outside!> Is it
it should
be
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
-------
It may also
be
the intended
must not
notify> > > > > > > > HATCH immediately via MailAdmin@hatch.ca.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML> > > > > > username "rebel"
password "builder"
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML> > > > > username "rebel"
password "builder"
--------
------
https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML> > > > username "rebel"
password "builder"
------
----
----


---------------------------------------------------------------
--
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
---------------------------------------------------------------
--



-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------










-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login?mode=HTML
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://mail.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------