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I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time or
do you do a couple pages of construction on one and then go to the other
to do the same?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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If you've got the room do both wings at the same time. Take each one to a
similar stage before proceeding. That way instructions are clear in your
mind and not trying to remember when you do the second wing. Also this way
you only open the proseal a few times as well. Spar caps / tank rib & tank
bulkhead riveting, bottom tank skin & corner filleting and then top skin
going on.

Wayne

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Subject: Wings

I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time or
do you do a couple pages of construction on one and then go to the other
to do the same?
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Mike Betti
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Mike ... are you putting the S/R wing tip extentions on your Elite?

Bob e612

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I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time or
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to do the same?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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Bob,
??, I ordered the optional droop tips.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:49:30 -0700, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Mike ... are you putting the S/R wing tip extentions on your Elite?

Bob e612

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I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time or
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Mike Betti
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On the subject of wings, I didn't look to far into the construction of the
wing and maybe it isn't mentioned. Which wing gets the pitot tube?
Which wing ussually gets the landing light?
Roughly on average how many hours will it take to do the wings?
Wayne, I heard I need to get some nut plates for the wings. If you could
email me a price and availability to mbetti@up.net
Thanks to all,
Mike Betti
771 Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

If you've got the room do both wings at the same time. Take each one to a
similar stage before proceeding. That way instructions are clear in your
mind and not trying to remember when you do the second wing. Also this way
you only open the proseal a few times as well. Spar caps / tank rib &

tank

bulkhead riveting, bottom tank skin & corner filleting and then top skin
going on.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Wings

I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time or
do you do a couple pages of construction on one and then go to the other
to do the same?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Left wing pitot usually, as well as landing light(s) if only in one
wing...although the choice is yours. Doesn't work any different on one or
the other.

If no inspections are needed before closing..ie US build or AULA... I'm 170
to 180 hours per >SET< of Rebel wings..no tips. If it needs to be inspected
before close add about 10 hours for the extra nonsense.

Sending you a PM on the anchor nuts Mike.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

On the subject of wings, I didn't look to far into the construction of the
wing and maybe it isn't mentioned. Which wing gets the pitot tube?
Which wing ussually gets the landing light?
Roughly on average how many hours will it take to do the wings?
Wayne, I heard I need to get some nut plates for the wings. If you could
email me a price and availability to mbetti@up.net
Thanks to all,
Mike Betti
771 Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

If you've got the room do both wings at the same time. Take each one to

a

similar stage before proceeding. That way instructions are clear in your
mind and not trying to remember when you do the second wing. Also this

way

you only open the proseal a few times as well. Spar caps / tank rib &

tank

bulkhead riveting, bottom tank skin & corner filleting and then top skin
going on.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Wings

I just started building the wings. Do you complete one wing at a time

or

do you do a couple pages of construction on one and then go to the

other

to do the same?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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In a message dated 2/28/2005 8:37:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

If no inspections are needed before closing..ie US build or AULA... I'm 170
to 180 hours per >SET< of Rebel wings..no tips. If it needs to be inspected
before close add about 10 hours for the extra nonsense.




WAYNE
you're being pretty generous IMHO. You have a few :) wing builds in
experience. First time builder 2 to 3 hundred Hr. for wings. After that it gets
quicker.
PDSmith





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Actually I dug back thru my handwritten notes from when I was quoting
building airplanes way back in 1996 to get those #'s. I'm probably closer to
200 hours these days as the body slows a tad!

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

In a message dated 2/28/2005 8:37:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

If no inspections are needed before closing..ie US build or AULA... I'm

170

to 180 hours per >SET< of Rebel wings..no tips. If it needs to be

inspected

before close add about 10 hours for the extra nonsense.




WAYNE
you're being pretty generous IMHO. You have a few :) wing builds in
experience. First time builder 2 to 3 hundred Hr. for wings. After that

it gets

quicker.
PDSmith





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Hey Wayne, usually experience compense for the slowing body... and I have
no doubt about your experience! But for your body, you should joint all
your "rebel builder fan club" at the Sun'Fun, it is very very effective!
and I will have the chance to shake your hand plus the first beer is on
the Bob P. arm! Just that worth the trip!

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Wings

Actually I dug back thru my handwritten notes from when I was quoting
building airplanes way back in 1996 to get those #'s. I'm probably closer
to
200 hours these days as the body slows a tad!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <LisaFly99@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

In a message dated 2/28/2005 8:37:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
oifa@irishfield.on.ca writes:

If no inspections are needed before closing..ie US build or AULA... I'm

170

to 180 hours per >SET< of Rebel wings..no tips. If it needs to be

inspected

before close add about 10 hours for the extra nonsense.




WAYNE
you're being pretty generous IMHO. You have a few :) wing builds in
experience. First time builder 2 to 3 hundred Hr. for wings. After that

it gets

quicker.
PDSmith





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One of the builders mentioned getting nutplates from Wayne for the hinges. I just read the wing instructions and they say to cut inspection holes for hinge access. Is this different from earlier instructions of the Elite? I just got done bugging Wayne on getting some plates and now maybe I don't need them. I have the instructions on PDF if anyone wants to view.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771 Elite

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:35:02 -0500, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:

Left wing pitot usually, as well as landing light(s) if only in one
wing...although the choice is yours. Doesn't work any different on one or
the other.

If no inspections are needed before closing..ie US build or AULA... I'm 170
to 180 hours per >SET< of Rebel wings..no tips. If it needs to be inspected
before close add about 10 hours for the extra nonsense.

Sending you a PM on the anchor nuts Mike.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

On the subject of wings, I didn't look to far into the construction of the
wing and maybe it isn't mentioned. Which wing gets the pitot tube?
Which wing ussually gets the landing light?
Roughly on average how many hours will it take to do the wings?
Wayne, I heard I need to get some nut plates for the wings. If you could
email me a price and availability to mbetti@up.net
Thanks to all,
Mike Betti
771 Elite
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Wings

If you've got the room do both wings at the same time. Take each one to

a

similar stage before proceeding. That way instructions are clear in your
mind and not trying to remember when you do the second wing. Also this

way

you only open the proseal a few times as well. Spar caps / tank rib &

tank

bulkhead riveting, bottom tank skin & corner filleting and then top skin
going on.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Wings

or

other

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Mike,

Don't forget to figure out how to flip over the wings. It is done several
times while building.

If "mirroring" is giving you problems, get a digital camera of the prints
and put the camera's software to work.

Barny
MGDQ SR 103 20bt

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I built mine as per the instructions, when I still believe the instructions
were God's Word. However, I recommend the plate nuts. Just take a look at
how accessible these nuts are going to be through these little inspection
holes. And one wing is worse than the other, due to the orientation of the
rib flanges. The instructions don't say anything about that, of course. At
the very least, you're going to need a special tool, or a combination of
extensions, wrenches, etc. to tighten them. And if they ever come off,
things get really tough. By the way, you do have to loosen these nuts when
you put the top skins on, because some of the rivet holes in the TE are
right in line with the hinges, leaving no room for the shop end of the rivet
until it is pulled. So, by all means, use plate nuts.

Al





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Does the 2" of trailing top wing skin remain on the trailing edge of the
wings? Just kind of dangles there.
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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Yep!

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Does the 2" of trailing top wing skin remain on the trailing edge of the
wings? Just kind of dangles there.
Mike Betti
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It forms (sort of) a gap seal with the top of the ailerons and flaps.

Scott
Moose 174

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Yep!

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Does the 2" of trailing top wing skin remain on the trailing edge of the
wings? Just kind of dangles there.
Mike Betti
771 Elite



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